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rushinr 03-31-2013 06:22 PM

clutch rattle/vibration/chatter and noise
 
I am a proud owner of a 2013 Golf R that had slipping clutch at 500 miles. I had the clutch/flywheel and release bearing replaced under warranty. Still driving the car nicely so i dont know if it slips any more or not.

The issue i have now is a super annoying clutch chatter when taking off in first gear. I can feel the clutch engage and there is something in the tranny making a knocking noise. Tech at the dealership told me its normal dmf noise. I freaking cant stand it. Is that pretty much what i have to live with?

Another issue is vibration and sort of feeling of rotation when shifting that i feel in the clutch pedal. Is that normal as well?

The part that i love the most abut driving cars which is shifting gears is the most annoying and least pleasant experience on an the golf so far:-/.

Dont get me wrong i love this car, love the interior quality and power just this clutch thing is driving me absolutely crazy.

R79 03-31-2013 07:12 PM

My car has the same clutch/flywheel characteristics as you. Clutch Assembly was replace under warranty (~3000 miles) and has been pretty much the same since (~12,000 miles now).

Some people have reported it settling down and going away after a few thousand miles so good luck ( I wasn't so lucky :P )

I hear the chatter/rattle even sitting in neutral when i depress the clutch pedal and slightly rev (800-1200 rpm).

Annoying, yes, I've just gotten (sorta)used to it now. I'm eventually going to get an upgraded clutch system and we'll see how it is after that.


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On the flipside, my B5 S4 on it's original clutch is still smooth and silent as it was 12 years ago!

rj45 03-31-2013 08:13 PM

My '12 R has a little over 5K miles. The clutch is not slipping, but I've heard/felt the knocking sound when pulling away since the car was new. It doesn't do it all the time, but it's a somewhat regular occurrence. However, I feel no clutch chatter, nor do I hear clutch rattle in neutral (if there is any, it's very little). I don't notice odd pedal sensations when shifting, either.

If your dealer isn't admitting there's a problem, maybe it's time to visit another dealer and let one of their techs drive the car. Or, you can call VW customer service and complain - as they say, the squeaky wheel gets the oil. Hope it works out. Good luck.

rushinr 03-31-2013 08:58 PM

thanks for the input guys. I got a few dealers around the area i live. We have the biggest VW service center in the country ( Luther Westside). I got my clutch done there in 3 days and they were very accommodating. There is a serious issue with clutches on Golf Rs and its pretty much a know issue now and it just takes to say "slip" and the clutch is pretty much replaced.

Today was the first day i actually got on a little bit on the car. Its been about 300 miles since they new clutch was put in and I have been very very light on the car. I cant see any slip at all at this point. I have not tried flooring it in 5th or 6th yet.

The feel a get in the clutch is like if you can feel the bearing rolling over the fingers on the pressure plate.

HardKnox 04-02-2013 09:39 AM

I've heard of this but have been fortunate enough not to experience any problems with the stock clutch. Upgraded to a SouthBend DXD S3 DD clutch and I'm happy with it as well.

rushinr 04-02-2013 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by HardKnox (Post 1128974)
I've heard of this but have been fortunate enough not to experience any problems with the stock clutch. Upgraded to a SouthBend DXD S3 DD clutch and I'm happy with it as well.

Does your new clutch use stock flywheel and stock throwout bearing?

SpaceyJacey 04-02-2013 09:36 PM

I have a 2013 Golf R with 7000 miles and the clutch has never rattled, vibrated, or chattered. However, on only 3 or 4 occasions, when letting out the clutch in 1st gear, it has emitted a high-pitched and single-pitched note similar to, I dunno, let's say a flute or some kind of weird bird.

rushinr 04-03-2013 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SpaceyJacey (Post 1130293)
I have a 2013 Golf R with 7000 miles and the clutch has never rattled, vibrated, or chattered. However, on only 3 or 4 occasions, when letting out the clutch in 1st gear, it has emitted a high-pitched and single-pitched note similar to, I dunno, let's say a flute or some kind of weird bird.

That sounds like a typical release bearing chirp.

I feel like I am getting used to the clutch in the R now. I am getting used to clipping the clutch a bit more when i take off so i dont get the dmf chatter as much that way.

rushinr 04-11-2013 09:46 PM

I am getting a very annoying spinning down noise whenever i shift gears and it corresponds with the clutch vibration. Its so bad that its actually taking away 90% of the pleasure of driving the car. I contacted VW USA with the issue and going to go to my dealer again next week. I had the main mechanic drive the car and he did notice the noise and vibration but just told me to keep driving the car. I am going to get to the bottom of this.
If am going to be told that this is normal to have this sort of noise and vibration I feel like I wont own this car for a long time at all.

damiennn 04-12-2013 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by rushinr (Post 1126645)
The issue i have now is a super annoying clutch chatter when taking off in first gear. I can feel the clutch engage and there is something in the tranny making a knocking noise. Tech at the dealership told me its normal dmf noise. I freaking cant stand it. Is that pretty much what i have to live with?.

Yep, I have the same car with the same issue... Normal, I hear. Gonna have to learn to live with it. Although, I would suggest removing the soundaktor. It really does make a difference in how the car sounds overall.

rushinr 04-12-2013 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by damiennn (Post 1147414)
Yep, I have the same car with the same issue... Normal, I hear. Gonna have to learn to live with it. Although, I would suggest removing the soundaktor. It really does make a difference in how the car sounds overall.

How many miles do you have on your car? I just can't stand that noise and pedal vibration. This can't be normal. And If it is normal VW has their had in their ass. And more people need to complain so they will redesign whatever is making that damn noise.

I was going to pull the soundtraktor after I install exhaust. It's hard to hear the engine when soundtraktor is not plugged in.

rushinr 04-12-2013 11:42 PM

Got In touch with VWoA and they are escalating my issue to the regional manager so I am dropping off my car at Luther Westside next Wednesday to have them look at the spin down noise and clutch pedal vibration. I am going to fight this until they either replace whatever needs to be replaced or buy my car back. If this is what a $36k does and it's considered normal I am done with German cars. Funny thing is that I was warned by all my Subaru friends that VW is a going to be different car to own.:-/

damiennn 04-14-2013 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by rushinr (Post 1147426)
How many miles do you have on your car? I just can't stand that noise and pedal vibration. This can't be normal. And If it is normal VW has their had in their ass. And more people need to complain so they will redesign whatever is making that damn noise.

I was going to pull the soundtraktor after I install exhaust. It's hard to hear the engine when soundtraktor is not plugged in.

1700 miles... I'm hearing it now more often then before, since the soundaktor is gone. No vibration or slipping, just chatter coming out of first, sometimes.
Was considering to call a dealer, but I'm stage 1, and I got a feeling they will make it difficult, so I'll deal with till I get really sick of it.

Flywheel is making this noise, I think. Happened in my old 318ti with an aftermarket lightweight flywheel.

rushinr 04-14-2013 05:34 PM

Do you hear sort of vibration when clutch is pressed in and you rev the engine?

I am planing to fight this to the top. And if I am told its normal by VWoA I am going to be pissed. After spending a couple days searching clutch issues with VW and Audi it seems to be a huge issue across the board to a point where I think it's a massive design issue and unless people complain more about it and hold VW accountable there will not be any change.

damiennn 04-14-2013 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by rushinr (Post 1151393)
Do you hear sort of vibration when clutch is pressed in and you rev the engine?

I am planing to fight this to the top. And if I am told its normal by VWoA I am going to be pissed. After spending a couple days searching clutch issues with VW and Audi it seems to be a huge issue across the board to a point where I think it's a massive design issue and unless people complain more about it and hold VW accountable there will not be any change.

No, no vibrations of any kind. Also, clutch is not slipping at all and it performs well so far. Just the chatter... Annoying, but thats it. Not always chattery, just sometimes. Although more noticeable now that the soundaktor is gone.

rushinr 04-15-2013 10:15 PM

well, i went to drive a brand new R and GTI and both were doing the stupid spin down and pedal vibration. The FSI gti had a horrid chatter from DMF it sounded like a freaking diesel when letting out the clutch. I am very freaking disappointed.

damiennn 04-16-2013 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by rushinr (Post 1153564)
well, i went to drive a brand new R and GTI and both were doing the stupid spin down and pedal vibration. The FSI gti had a horrid chatter from DMF it sounded like a freaking diesel when letting out the clutch. I am very freaking disappointed.

Yeah, a bit of a downer... for sure.
More of an incentive to start saving for a performance clutch.

rushinr 04-16-2013 08:26 AM

I don't think a performance clutch will be any better. It will chatter more and if its smf it will make all kinda of loud noises. I guess it's just how VW trannies are and engines.

-yz- 04-16-2013 10:28 AM

I just brought my car in for an oil change and I'm having them check out this chatter noise as well. It's been happening since I bought the car and I only have 5300 miles on it. It's annoying if anything and is most noticeable when the car is cold. It's gets a "tiny bit" quieter after a 20min of driving.

In neutral there is no rattle or noise, no slipping that I can tell either. Pedal feel is fine too. I just want to know if this is NORMAL or not. My clutch otherwise feels fine. From the below comment from above, it may just be normal I'm thinking.

Quote:

I hear the chatter/rattle even sitting in neutral when i depress the clutch pedal and slightly rev (800-1200 rpm).
This is EXACTLY the same thing I'm experiencing. You can 1/2 depress the clutch and rev to replicate the sound.

rushinr 04-16-2013 11:07 AM

The fsi gti I drove had horrible chatter when starting off the line. And the R had really strong spin down noise when shifting gears.

rushinr 04-20-2013 11:10 PM

cross posting this with VWvortex. Here is the noise i get with clutch pedal depressed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvaAWP0hLbU

And the spin down noise i was talking about earlier can be replicated somewhat by just revving the engine with the clutch pedal depressed. The engine actually sounds quite different when revved up with clutch engaged and disengaged.

Anybody else get this noise when slightly revving the engine with clutch pressed in?

rushinr 04-28-2013 12:55 PM

Bump! Dealer is telling its normal. Which I say is bull shit. I have driven over 100 cars in the last year and none of them so this.

They are willing to escalate the issue and opened a VTA but I have a feeling I won't get anything done any time soon.

I feel like this is possible flywheel or TOB related. Anybody?

TLud 04-28-2013 05:47 PM

Not normal. Neither mine nor any other R that I've been in has made that sound. I wonder if they replaced all your original parts with like parts or if they have identified an issue with one or more of the components and are replacing with new parts. Maybe you can ask them that and/or ask to see any applicable service bulletin.


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rushinr 04-28-2013 06:39 PM

The sound was not there when they first installed replacement clutch. I was told disk and flywheel where different part number.

TLud 04-29-2013 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by rushinr (Post 1176560)
The sound was not there when they first installed replacement clutch. I was told disk and flywheel where different part number.

I would go back to the original version of the DMF and pair it with Sach's SRE performance clutch kit (pressure plate and clutch disk). Should be as quiet as original and ready to handle any power upgrades you want to do.


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rushinr 04-29-2013 10:49 AM

I have a feeling DMF is causing some of this too. For sure causing shudder.

Today I noticed that the noise I filmed in the video is not there when the car is cold. So when it fully warms up that's when the noise is really strong.

rushinr 04-29-2013 10:49 AM

I have a feeling DMF is causing some of this too. For sure causing shudder.

Today I noticed that the noise I filmed in the video is not there when the car is cold. So when it fully warms up that's when the noise is really strong.

TLud 04-29-2013 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rushinr (Post 1177476)
I have a feeling DMF is causing some of this too. For sure causing shudder.

Today I noticed that the noise I filmed in the video is not there when the car is cold. So when it fully warms up that's when the noise is really strong.

It's funny because the primary purpose of a DMF is to smooth out and dampen engine vibration/motion. I wonder how the new part is different from the old one or whether it was a bad install job. Either way, definitely not normal.

rushinr 04-30-2013 10:36 AM

I wonder too. Here is the latest video that shows the noise pretty good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCW4Imj5UUk

tavito_pr 05-03-2013 10:29 AM

Subscribed,

I picked up my Golf R this Monday (April 29)... and since I got inside of the car it's been doing that same noise and rattle vibration on the pedal, going to the dealership next tuesday to see what the say.

tavito_pr 05-03-2013 10:30 AM

BTW my R was made in 08/12

rushinr 05-03-2013 11:16 AM

Welcome to clutch issues!

tavito_pr 05-13-2013 10:40 AM

So, just like you...

I left it at the dealership and they didn't feel/found a thing, funny thing is that when I picked it up, there was no symptoms.

Now, it comes and goes, sometimes little to no noise/vibration, sometimes a lot.

When cold, it's perfect.

Another thing I see is that when pressing the clutch and trying to mantain the RPMs at 1200-1300 the indicator is crazy unstable.
And when A/C OFF, I almost can't feel it.

What is the DMF? sorry for the stupid question...

rj45 05-13-2013 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by tavito_pr (Post 1199206)

What is the DMF? sorry for the stupid question...

Dual Mass Flywheel..it has spring system that connects the two flywheel masses, which dampens transmission noise and vibration.

TA12345 05-16-2013 02:42 PM

Sorry to hear man. Very frustrating. Have a US 2013 R. 3000 miles. Really crazy about the car. Great chasiss, strong motor , steering , fit and finish, daily driver and occassional track day ready. Cant as for much more out of the box. Will be doing some upgrades for frequent track use as I feel chasiss and motor are worth it. I have had some rattling noise when starting in first with a lazy type of acceleration , like when creeping over a speed bump. No other experiences under normal or hard driving. I am fortunate to have some nice quiet winding country roads close to home. Have driven the R hard on them with, hard acceleration, max to trail braking into turns, exit downshifts etc, basically full rpm band driving, with no issues at all. Just pumping adrenaline, yeahs, smiles and head shaking!!

Hope you work it out. Keeping pressing VW. Hate to see u give up on the R. I am 3,000 miles in and cant think of living without mine. Have had a lot of great cars in the past. Just something special about the R.

tavito_pr 05-23-2013 04:23 PM

Ok.... so I brought it to another dealership and they just called and they could not find or hear the symptom... it bothers me so much, because there has to be something going on... I hope it is just going away....

DaMutt 07-04-2013 09:05 PM

Sorry to bump this older thread, but this sounds exactly like the issue I am having with my BRAND NEW Golf R. It has been popping away revs in 1st since 200 miles. I have owned / driven many many many manual trans cars and have never had anything remotely like this. Dealer said the same thing - "Normal".
The issue is utterly ruining this car for me and if normal is the official stand, then they can have the thing back. Fantastic car wrapped around a complete disaster of a clutch/trans/whatever the real issue is.
Any resolution for you or any others having this?

rushinr 07-05-2013 12:13 AM

Still having the rattle vibation issue with the clutch even after dealer replaced the clutch. Was told that its totally normal because of the transmission design. Essentialy there is not enough oil lubricating the transmission gears when the engine is idling. That causes gear chatter that is translated through the main shaft to the clutch and to the clutch pedal.

DaMutt 07-06-2013 12:00 AM

No kidding? I figured it for engine vibration under load.. like almost lugging it. I've noticed if you up the revs when taking off, it is GREATLY reduced. Like around 1k or so. I could start off much lower in the Porsche, but the R seems to like a bit more of a "head start".

rushinr 11-10-2013 09:06 PM

Back from the dead. Issues with my R still continue. Now have about 7k miles on it and here is a nice noise it developed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47p5M...D5tCYxMo0A_ENw

Still being told that its normal. I was about ready to trade the car in for another vehicle but realized that 9 months after owning the car and paying 40k for it now would only get 28k. Pretty sad.


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