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Old 12-16-2014, 11:39 AM   #29
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If you don't learn at autocross? Never heard that one before...

I haven't done an HPDE but from what I know, it is good in that you do dozens of laps of the track over the course of the day, vs. 8 or so with autocross. They usually/sometimes have cones that mark turn-in, apex, and exit points so that you can get used to what the proper racing line is through a corner. It's faster in speed but slower in "action" in that during an HPDE you will have more time to plan out your driving line, vs. autocross where it is so fast/tight that you don't have much time to plan your line if you are inexperienced.

But yeah you should definitely be learning a lot at autocross. Those skills directly transfer over to track use, and vice versa.
agreed 100%^

Going from hpde first to autox was pretty insane for me, lol. It was like I had all the time in the world to think at HPDE, and then at autox, it was like “hurry, hurry, hurry!!!!”, but most people do it the other way around (learn autox then go track), which makes sense really. I’ve seen autox-ers do their first track day and do VERY well actually, so I do agree that those skills will transfer over.

At a track day, there is more time to think (brakes, shift, turn, power) for the most part… and yes, KVN is exactly right, many tracks have cones out for braking and apex indicators for turn in, apex point, and exit/track out (GET ON THE POWAAAHHH), but I know going to my only HPDE this year in Oct, after doing all those autox days, it felt like I had an eternity to make decisions and do things in the car, lol.. and yes, definitely notice the higher speeds.

The hugest benefits of track days is the high speeds (that can backfire on ya, right!?!? Lol) and the actual amount of driving time is pretty epic, but yes, you pay for that difference. You also do not have to “work” like in autox, so definitely some differences all around. I enjoy them both.

Preparation – I highly suggest upgraded brake pads and perhaps rebleeding the system. I am not too aggressive on braking, and I even got the A3 a little mushy out there with stock rotors and stoptech street pads, ss lines, and DOT4 fluid that's only a year old or so. Many guys try to be very late and hard on the brakes.. not good as a newbie and definitely not smart on a practically stock car, so keep that in mind too. But the beginner group will be ideal for well, the beginners on here, to really get out and have fun. It’s not a race.. you will pass faster cars than you, and slower cars than yours will pass you – don’t worry about it. No one is keeping track, no trophies, no prize money, no bishes. It’s for fun.
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Old 12-16-2014, 11:51 AM   #30
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word. It's mostly just drive time for me. My statement came out wrong, I did learn at autox, but how much can you really learn and retain in only 8 minutes of drive time throughout a 6 hour day?
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yeah, that part is difficult. Guys like Dave (and now KVN) help doe!

forgot to mention, that at HPDE's you can get a free instructor as well. just have to ask usually. also helps to find someone who has a similar car to yours if at all possible, just like Landballs did for us.
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Old 12-16-2014, 12:02 PM   #32
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word. It's mostly just drive time for me. My statement came out wrong, I did learn at autox, but how much can you really learn and retain in only 8 minutes of drive time throughout a 6 hour day?
Word. More time/repetition is always good. Just know that at an HPDE you will likely not (and shouldn't) be pushing your car to its limit, compared to autocross where you will be doing so almost constantly.
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^ yeah I am fully aware of that Kev. Autox I had the mindset of "meh what could go wrong"

on a track the mindset would be "If you fuck up you won't have your racecar anymore"

so yeah, I will be the slow guy on the track enjoying myself and learning while being very cautious and safe.
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Old 12-16-2014, 12:10 PM   #34
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yeah, that part is difficult. Guys like Dave (and now KVN) help doe!

forgot to mention, that at HPDE's you can get a free instructor as well. just have to ask usually. also helps to find someone who has a similar car to yours if at all possible, just like Landballs did for us.
Instructors are very helpful
Carson has a couple HPDE under his belt with his GTI, might be a good instructor candidate
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^ yeah I am fully aware of that Kev. Autox I had the mindset of "meh what could go wrong"

on a track the mindset would be "If you fuck up you won't have your racecar anymore"

so yeah, I will be the slow guy on the track enjoying myself and learning while being very cautious and safe.
Nice. Which HPDE are you going to? I want to do an ACC one that's not too close to an autocross.
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Instructors are very helpful
Carson has a couple HPDE under his belt with his GTI, might be a good instructor candidate
carson has gone full retard with his car and tracking. i'm sure he will be at most of the events this summer. And with a built motor and new k04
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Who is Carson?
he's the guy who started the thursday night meets. Has an awesome mk5 that has like 60,000 track miles already. He has been busy. Was at his place a few weeks ago and saw what his winter plans for the car are. He has his work cut out for him
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White mk5, many stickerz on his car, full beard, used to go to Tuesday meatz
Look at the Thursday night thread
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Word. More time/repetition is always good. Just know that at an HPDE you will likely not (and shouldn't) be pushing your car to its limit, compared to autocross where you will be doing so almost constantly.
indeed.. for me, I'm driving at about 7/10ths for track days, and more like 9.5/10 for autox.. and then 12/10 for karting, lol. You can see it varies by overall "risk" involved

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^ yeah I am fully aware of that Kev. Autox I had the mindset of "meh what could go wrong"

on a track the mindset would be "If you fuck up you won't have your racecar anymore"

so yeah, I will be the slow guy on the track enjoying myself and learning while being very cautious and safe.
http://locktonmotorsports.com/product/track-insurance

something to consider^. I've never used them, but it may help calm some people down.

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