If you are going to wait for the Subota, consider looking at a Golf R or the Focus RS while waiting. Toyota is not noted for its handling and in a new box it could be risky. With the R and RS you have performance history on your side and lets face it Europe just engineers better cars.
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Car decision: 2012 GTI or FR-S/ FT86/ Toyaburu ?
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Gunkata
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good point! nice.
do you mean Focus ST? RS isn't coming here last I heard.
RacingManiac
Drag Race Newbie
This is interesting point, and one actually is rather surprising seeing some tests in the past years....IS-F as tested by C&D on their lightning lap test was 9 second faster in a 3 minute ish lap from different model years. With all that was changed was suspension tuning....There might be a good reason not to buy the first year car...
Johnny
I'm Here for the Gangbang
Somebody has never driven an MR2.
Gunkata
Drag Race Newbie
Or Supra.
As for the Focus RS, yes we will get that in November. I actually have seen the car in testing here in Arizona and it is badged RS. Regardless, the Golf R is high on my list to replace the GTI. Consider this, I test drove a Mazda Speed 3, was not impressed with the seats and the car just felt tinny and noisy, sure it is faster than a GTI. The GTI remains the benchmark for the class....enough said.
Stop the car and back-up. I was a test driver at Toyota for 5 years, have driven the MR2 and the MR2 Spider (a major let down that killed the car in the US market). Its is all about what you are comparing...sports cars or sports coupes. I race in NASA & ASA, compare the MR2 Spider to Mazda MX5and the latter is a better performer with the engine up front, and you can still buy new. When talking about handling, stick with new cars you can get now.
norsairius
Go Kart Newbie
I had a 2009 WRX and I found the flat four to be a pretty good engine, actually. The power curve might be poor to some because it uses a larger turbo which has a bit more lag. In daily driving, this was never an issue and it was only noticed during more spirited driving, but that was part of the reason why such cars tend to be more fun if you can shift the gears yourself; you can keep the engine in the "sweet spot" of the power band. Also, I frequented the NASIOC forums when I had that car and people didn't really complain about it running lean unless you were to add an intake. Pistons were never an issue unless people wanted to get up to "stage 3" power levels.
I only decided to get rid of it for styling reasons and practicality reasons. Gas mileage wasn't the best compared to the GTI, wasn't comfortable on trips longer than a few hours (which I do relatively frequently, and the exterior was oh-so-ugly, but the wide-body 2011s actually look pretty good to me).
There are many times I wish I kept it, like whenever I want to go fast or if I'm in a tunnel. That car with a catback exhaust was niiiice.
The RX-8 has a rotary engine, and yes, the current-gen rotary engine does consume a lot of gas (and oil). The boxer engines may appear to consume a lot of fuel because they also have to deal with a lot of mechanical drag with the AWD setups that Subaru offers. There is always room for improvement though, and GunKata pointed that out.
I'm under the impression that they're known for low fuel efficiency and high oil consumption.
Back to the topic at hand:
If you're considering these cars, I'd wait until the Toyobaru comes out so you can test them back to back. I'm not sure if I'd go for the Scion/Toyota/Subaru quite yet because as others have mentioned, it will be a first-generation car. Also, the poor Scion will likely be associated with "ricers" and your other typical Scion crowd. I'd wait and see if Subaru comes out with a turbocharged performance version (because let's face it, I'd expect it to have unequal length exhaust headers like its other turbocharged engines and it should therefore have that beautiful-sounding boxer rumble).
Dirt Nasty
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Stadpad
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Gunkata
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it is very good looking, but I'm still holding out for a more performance based Subaru version, which could end up being a second car for me down the line.