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Old 02-26-2016, 10:39 AM   #1
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2015 KIA Forte5 SX or 2013 VW GTi Drivers Edition?

I am coming to dilemma...

Both cars are used.
GTI with 20k miles for $19k (or less), Forte5 with 2k miles for $16k.
First the numbers:
KIA 1.6T, 195 lb.-ft. @ 1,750 - 4,500 rpm, 201 hp @ 6,000 rpm, 6 sp M/T
Base Curb Weight: 2912 lb
GTI 2.0T, 207 lb.-ft. @ 1,800 - 5,000 rpm, 200 hp @ 5,100 - 6,000 rpm,
6 sp M/T
Base Curb Weight: 3113 lb

So basically on paper they are almost same. Similar weight, basically same power...
The difference is equipment, price, and warranty.
I like sunroof in GTI, heated leather seats, HID headlights, XDS, and some other nice features.
KIA, though, still has 4 years of bumper to bumper warranty.
But GTI is GTI...

As for look - well, that's semantics.

The main problem I have now is test drive. There is no Forte5 SX near and local dealer is not willing to bring one.


Hence the question - which one would you pick and has any of you ever DRIVEN both cars to say how you liked it?

Some pics, no need to show GTI I guess...








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Old 02-26-2016, 12:37 PM   #2
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They may be the same or close on paper, but that KIA is a very cheaply built car. I'm sure it doesn't have the quality of a GTI. I'm confused as too why you are even looking at a KIA. Good luck, but it is really an easy choice GTI.
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Old 02-26-2016, 12:41 PM   #3
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They may be the same or close on paper, but that KIA is a very cheaply built car. I'm sure it doesn't have the quality of a GTI. I'm confused as too why you are even looking at a KIA. Good luck, but it is really an easy choice GTI.
KIAs have come a long way. And Hyundai's as well. Can't beat their warranty. In some cases, think I've seen them be more reliable than GTIs

But on paper they could be the same, but drive way different, will agree. Also if OP plans on modding, that could change everything as well.

OP, have you tried visiting their forums for feedback on reliability and what to look out for?
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Old 02-26-2016, 12:52 PM   #4
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Never driven the Kia but I really doubt its as fun as the GTI... the Kia maybe more reliable but so are many other cars. Its a trade off when you're going german
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Old 02-26-2016, 01:13 PM   #5
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You really have to drive both to make the best decision here... We're all going to be biased on this forum, but I do truly think the GTI will be the better car overall.

If you don't plan on modding either car, then definitely it's the driving experience and warranty.
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Old 02-26-2016, 01:35 PM   #6
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Thanks everyone for replies.

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They may be the same or close on paper, but that KIA is a very cheaply built car. I'm sure it doesn't have the quality of a GTI. I'm confused as too why you are even looking at a KIA. Good luck, but it is really an easy choice GTI.
How reliable is GTI? Any major issues except water pump? I read about grind/jerk when shifting 1-2. Normal for Hyundai as well...

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KIAs have come a long way. And Hyundai's as well. Can't beat their warranty. In some cases, think I've seen them be more reliable than GTIs

But on paper they could be the same, but drive way different, will agree. Also if OP plans on modding, that could change everything as well.

OP, have you tried visiting their forums for feedback on reliability and what to look out for?

You see, [mention]ashchuckton[/mention]and [mention]Jaber[/mention], I own KIA (2007 KIA Rondo, 2.7 V6) and I have had two Elantras so far.
Basically nothing really wrong with them. Sure, they seem cheaper in many aspects, but they pay back with relatively many gadgets.
Never had any major issue with either one besides issues created by... service folks.

[mention]lilfleck[/mention] I wish driving both was possible. The nearest one is about 100 miles one way. KIA dealer is not cooperative in this matter - unless I decide to buy one they are not bringing it.
As for modding - I know that. KIA gives you basically no room for anything. Plus there are no aftermarket parts for them. VW - that's completely different story.

[mention]iGTI[/mention] I used to have German cars. I'm from Poland. I know my cars. I repair them. Before going for service or repair - I know what must be done. Sometimes I laugh, other times I am mad seeing what some folks (service dept) do.


Going back to paper.

How come 1.6 gets almost same results as 2.0? It seems like it is already Stage 2 .



I also asked this question on KIA forum. They are slightly biased. Here is more VW, there is more "practical" view. However, all admit that GTi will be more fun to drive.


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Old 02-26-2016, 01:46 PM   #7
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If you have someone you can give that kia to in 5 years or so get it
Get the GTI and at least you can sell it
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Old 02-26-2016, 01:56 PM   #8
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If you have someone you can give that kia to in 5 years or so get it
Get the GTI and at least you can sell it
You know, that's a very good point that I was debating on as well. Seeing how little interest is in Forte5 SX, I am afraid it might be hard to sell later on...
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Old 02-26-2016, 01:56 PM   #9
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This is not really related to the Kia Forte, but before buying the GTI, I test drove a Veloster Turbo. The Veloster was a big disappointment for a turbo'd car. There was little to no torque and drove like a regular sedan. The GTI was infinitely better than the Veloster. Reason why I'm bringing this up is as many of you may know, Kia and Hyundai are sister companies so cars are probably built similarly. I would stay away from Kia and Hyundai if you are looking for a tuner.
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Old 02-26-2016, 02:58 PM   #10
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On paper they look similar, drive both, youll see the GTI is miles above the Kia. Its obvious they built the Forte to compete against other hot hatches but its not really much competition when you consider anything more than spec sheets.

Kia is getting better, but they got a long way to go.
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Old 02-26-2016, 03:02 PM   #11
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Thanks everyone for replies.



How reliable is GTI? Any major issues except water pump? I read about grind/jerk when shifting 1-2. Normal for Hyundai as well...

No jerk from 1st to 2nd...thats normally just driver error. Also GTI has DSG which is one of the best trannies you can get in a car this price.

Water pump issues are a major concern however VWoA has already declared coverage for the majority of us. I'm personally on my 4th however Ive paid very little out of pocket luckily while outside of warranty.
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Old 02-26-2016, 03:22 PM   #12
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well what are you looking for, a cheaper car thats just easy to keep up with or high quality that performs and feels amazing, trust me, in my research before i got my mk6, those HP figures mean jack shit. i tried a kia forte koup turbo and compaired to a gti it feels slow. trust me if you want qauility and performance get the GTI. if you dont feel like paying more than than the sticker price for anything after just get the kia
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Old 02-26-2016, 03:24 PM   #13
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KIA 1.6T
Don't let paper numbers fool you.

With performance in mind, I doubt the Kia could out run a base Golf.

And, in the real world, the Kia would be more in line with an Abarth or MAYBE (HUGE MAYBE) a Fiesta ST.

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Old 02-26-2016, 04:05 PM   #14
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The biggest knock on the Kia is the handling. Decent in a straight line, but sloppy in anything else.
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