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Old 08-15-2017, 10:27 AM   #43
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Hello Everyone, your input.

My local Ford Dealer has a White RS that I have been eye balling for a while. It was in their show room with a mark up and no one was buying it. I stopped by yesterday for shits and giggles and now the mark up is off and they wanted to make a deal with me. I was on the fence, looking at about $500 a month for 72 months to have it. I ended up walking out. Was I stupid?

See, my MK6 GTI is mint. Never modded has 47k miles on it and besides the OEM LED tails and front spoiler is completely stock. Not a nick on it all OEM paint and well is nearly perfect as a car almost 5 yrs old can be, mine is a 2013. I own my GTI outright, no payments, and my insurance is fairly cheap.

I sold my 2006 Evo 9 MR to buy the GTI in 2013. Not because I wanted to, but due to divorce. I thought the GTI would satisfy my need for speed so to speak, but have found it falls a little short, but is a great car overall. Deep down I still had this hope of more. I think its just how I had to sell my Evo and that never settled well with me.

Fast forward to now, Could I afford the $500 a month for the RS? Yes. Money of course would be a little tighter, but I could do it, but part of me, maybe the rational side is saying, your older now, you have been there done that and now you have a practically new GTI sitting in the garage with ZERO payment and that is money in the bank. I can actually SAVE money for once in my life vs spending it.

So I am hear for council for my addiction to cars. It really is an addiction and I need help. So i am reaching out to my VW community for support. Did I do the right thing? Or am I just getting older and wiser? Or should I say "F" it you only life once live the dream one more time. Opinions will vary by age group I realize this, I am in my mid 40's and have owned 4 Evo's since 2003-2012. I am happy with the GTI, just feel like something is missing that a tune and some good tires just wont fix. Yet, it would be stupid to spend the money. Right?

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I think the GTI lacks the exoticness of a car like an EVO 9 MR. You just don't see them around that often and that is why the GTI can get dull sometimes. At least in my neck of the woods, they are EVERYWHERE. I mean, VW hasn't stopped production on them since they came out whereas EVOs have come and gone.

I had the exact same feelings as you when I owned a Neon SRT4. Can laugh all you want but they are fast as ballz stock and very easy to mod for even bigger power. I was in love with that car. It got so much attention everywhere I went (including the negative ).

The GTI was my feeling of maturing up and wanting something a bit more tame and practical, but still could be fun. I honestly didn't expect it to be as slow as it was stock, but a Stg1 tune can get it feeling a little bit more fun. Of course it doesn't end there because then you just want more and more, and here I am with a K04 on the way. I'm hoping to capture some of the insanity the SRT4 provided me with the K04, but I feel you. I was tempted multiple times to trade the GTI because I just was a little bored of it and with the issues that arose for such low mileage, I didn't have much faith in it. Here's hoping I can still get a lot more years out of it with the K04 mod. I got 1 year left to pay it off.
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Old 08-20-2017, 11:15 PM   #45
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Oh sorry that I went off and turned it all about me, rofl.

Advise for you, with the car paid off, that's an asset to you now. Enjoy being car payment free. So many people don't ever get to that because they just keep trading in and trading and end up always having a car to pay for. At this point, save your pennies. You could easily mod it at this point because you don't have to worry about that monthly payment. Make the car truly yours. Go unique on it. Maybe you need to start throwing new parts on it to make it feel fresh but don't do it all at once. Try to do 1 big thing a year to make you fall in love with it again each time. Been working for me thus far since late 2013 of purchasing it.
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I can't believe you've kept your GTI stock for so long - just a simple stage I flash will change your attitude towards the heavy little GTI that feels like it doesn't want to get out of its own way.

Flash $600-800 depending on tuner, no supporting mods needed. Keeps no car payment and increased smiles per gallon immensely. Car remains quiet and composed but moves out when you want it to. Add intake for added bonus but not needed IMO. Then when you get bored of it again in a couple years go stage II or K04
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If you're serious about tracking it, there was a lot of discussion early on about how the Focus RS was a very compromised platform from the factory for heavy track use. Terry Fair at Vorshlag did a thorough writeup on it. Definitely worth reading and considering before you trade in your car for it:

http://www.vorshlag.com/forums/showt...8381#post58381

Also the GTI isn't my normal track car, but I've brought it out a few times and while it's not amazing stock, there's definitely some potential there... if you can live with FWD. If not, don't waste your time modding it. Find something more fun to begin with.

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I say take the gamble (of still not being happy) and flash to stage 1 and report back in a week.

If you're still not happy, daily the stage 1 no monthly payment GTI and buy a used/affordable car with a platform that best suits what youre looking to do and modify the shit out of it
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Find someone nearby with stage 2 or k04 to ride along/drive their car. Come back here shortly after to report you got your car tuned. End of thread.
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Old 08-21-2017, 09:23 PM   #50
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Find someone nearby with stage 2 or k04 to ride along/drive their car. Come back here shortly after to report you got your car tuned. End of thread.


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Old 08-22-2017, 11:02 AM   #51
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I think the GTI lacks the exoticness of a car like an EVO 9 MR. You just don't see them around that often and that is why the GTI can get dull sometimes. At least in my neck of the woods, they are EVERYWHERE. I mean, VW hasn't stopped production on them since they came out whereas EVOs have come and gone.

I had the exact same feelings as you when I owned a Neon SRT4. Can laugh all you want but they are fast as ballz stock and very easy to mod for even bigger power. I was in love with that car. It got so much attention everywhere I went (including the negative ).

The GTI was my feeling of maturing up and wanting something a bit more tame and practical, but still could be fun. I honestly didn't expect it to be as slow as it was stock, but a Stg1 tune can get it feeling a little bit more fun. Of course it doesn't end there because then you just want more and more, and here I am with a K04 on the way. I'm hoping to capture some of the insanity the SRT4 provided me with the K04, but I feel you. I was tempted multiple times to trade the GTI because I just was a little bored of it and with the issues that arose for such low mileage, I didn't have much faith in it. Here's hoping I can still get a lot more years out of it with the K04 mod. I got 1 year left to pay it off.


Even more reinforcement on this topic. Not to beat a dead horse here.

I too can relate. From having a 04' Wrx that was heavily modded to this 12' GTI. I'll admit is a step down in the "Fun" department. Getting looks and hoots about the car always made my day.

Now. People on the road don't look twice at me for a little adrenaline on the way to work. It's a little saddening, yes. However, I think this car has the potential to make good power and if attention is what you're looking for just throw an obnoxious Cat-Back on and I'm fairly certain you'll get the looks again. Lol. Because it matters, right?

Not to mention the lack of payments, that alone would be enough to keep me from a new car. If you GTI is truly "Bone stock" you have yet to experience what this platform can do.

I've only had mine for a few months now and with the small cost in upgrades I've put into it, I can already tell its an amazing machine with loads of potential.
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I think the GTI lacks the exoticness of a car like an EVO 9 MR. You just don't see them around that often and that is why the GTI can get dull sometimes. At least in my neck of the woods, they are EVERYWHERE. I mean, VW hasn't stopped production on them since they came out whereas EVOs have come and gone.

I had the exact same feelings as you when I owned a Neon SRT4. Can laugh all you want but they are fast as ballz stock and very easy to mod for even bigger power. I was in love with that car. It got so much attention everywhere I went (including the negative ).

The GTI was my feeling of maturing up and wanting something a bit more tame and practical, but still could be fun. I honestly didn't expect it to be as slow as it was stock, but a Stg1 tune can get it feeling a little bit more fun. Of course it doesn't end there because then you just want more and more, and here I am with a K04 on the way. I'm hoping to capture some of the insanity the SRT4 provided me with the K04, but I feel you. I was tempted multiple times to trade the GTI because I just was a little bored of it and with the issues that arose for such low mileage, I didn't have much faith in it. Here's hoping I can still get a lot more years out of it with the K04 mod. I got 1 year left to pay it off.

I really appreciate you taking the time and telling your story. Yes, I know the SRT-4 very well, have tracked with them when I had my 9 MR. I used to always joke with the SRT-4 guys by saying, "Yeah you can keep up in the straight I hear ya, but soon as the road bends the Evo is KING" They always agreed no agruements. I had much respect for the SRT cars. So under rated and these guys ran BIG HP gains over stock and they were at the track with me and we just enjoyed the "cars". It was the STI's the Evo's the SRT's heck Corvettes and it was like a "click". At the track we would always see the German Car guys on the other side of the pits and they had their BMW's, Mercs, Audi's and VW's. We always called them the snobs. They never spoke to us, they never came over for a beer, they never helped when cars broke on track, it was weird. When I had to sell my 9, honestly broke my heart. Had her for about 5 yrs, I never wanted her to be a HP Queen or anything, just enough to keep my heart rate up. Last Tune I had on 91 pump was 340whp and on WMI 70/30 mix just under 400whp and was daily driven and tracked and in the years I had that car NOT ONE PROBLEM.

I too, was looking for something more mature I guess when I sold the 9. I got tired of the cops pulling me over all the time with the same story "We saw a car that matched this cars description" some of the cops were cool, some were big hairy cocks. I would have people tail gate me all the time wanting me to push it, just allot of negative attention I didn't want. I only had 3 cars on my list when I went looking for another car. Ford Focus ST, Subaru WRX, and the GTI. After driving all three, I was sold on the GTI. BUT I never had plans to mod. If I did? I would have gone WRX. I just wanted something with a snail attached to the motor for instant torque, decent mileage, and something I can put stuff in, including my 2 kids. Now here I am 4 and half years later, GTI is paid off, credit is better, divorce is over, kids are older, and I am getting that itch. I look at the issues I have had with the GTI thus far, nothing too crazy but my car is on its 4 water pump since it left the factory in Germany. The water pumps didn't fail, but the seal did. The 4th one finally got the revision. I had my well guess you would call it Valve Cover would leak, so they re sealed it with that florescent green silicone stuff has not leaked since. I had my Cam angle sensor leak, they replaced that. Thats about it. Pretty petty for the VW world.

So for shizzles and gizzles I see the RS sitting at Ford as my girl and I pull through a drive through for food. The ford dealer is right next to it. I was like F ME!! So I go over and take a look. First thing the sales guy tells me is "this car has been here a while we need to sell it, I will take $2000 off the price right now if your interested" CRAP!!! Never have I heard a dealer give 2G's off the retail price of an RS. So I got his card and said I will think on it.

So I have been thinking on it, and its about about a week or 2 now, sales guy still calls me, the RS is still there, so I think I can get them down more. BUT like you all said, your GTI is paid for and that RS even with a lower price is STILL with tax going to be $40-42k out the door. With my GTI as a down I am still looking at $450-$500 a month for 5-6 yrs. OUCH.

I was looking at tunes for the GTI, I like Unictronic. I also was reading about the new COBB Access Port V3? Not sure if that is any good but like the idea of it. Unitronic too, I like how I can upload tunes of my own, put the OEM file back in, switch stuff the COBB unit just makes it even easier. I am thinking, Intercooler, Downpipe, Charge pipes, I still get a kick out that, "Charge Pipe" Intercooler Pipes is what I know them as. Diverter Valve relocation kit maybe, K04??? LSD for the DSG, will the DSG hold up? Will the TSI hold up??? who knows total crap shoot with these cars I think.

So yeah, long winded I know, but here I am. I havent done anything yet. I find it best when not sure, to just do nothing. In the mean time I read your stories and advice from all of you, and it does help me. So Thank You all for your time. You are all Awesome

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I can't believe you've kept your GTI stock for so long - just a simple stage I flash will change your attitude towards the heavy little GTI that feels like it doesn't want to get out of its own way.

Flash $600-800 depending on tuner, no supporting mods needed. Keeps no car payment and increased smiles per gallon immensely. Car remains quiet and composed but moves out when you want it to. Add intake for added bonus but not needed IMO. Then when you get bored of it again in a couple years go stage II or K04
Yeah, I left a long winded kinda explanation to why I have not modded the GTI as of yet, but totally dig your positive vibe, Thanks

If you guys can tell me how to post photos on here I can put up some pics to see what you guys think of my GTI. I used to use photo bucket but now they want you to pay to do 3rd party posts, so whats the new way to do it? is there a free way? haha.

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If you're serious about tracking it, there was a lot of discussion early on about how the Focus RS was a very compromised platform from the factory for heavy track use. Terry Fair at Vorshlag did a thorough writeup on it. Definitely worth reading and considering before you trade in your car for it:

http://www.vorshlag.com/forums/showt...8381#post58381

Also the GTI isn't my normal track car, but I've brought it out a few times and while it's not amazing stock, there's definitely some potential there... if you can live with FWD. If not, don't waste your time modding it. Find something more fun to begin with.
I havent read the article yet that you linked but I will. Thank you for the link. What I do know thus far from guys I know at the track is the RS does or can overheat the Rear Diff. They have seen that happen a few times. Also, the RS factory brake pads suck. That is with all cars, I will admit the the Evo 9 at least the MR came with some sick street pads from the factory. I tracked on them for days without fade yet they only lasted a month, but still haha.

I would never track the GTI like I did my Evo of yesteryear, FWD tracking takes a whole different style of driving. I can re learn of course, but I am not used to heavy trail braking which is a MUST for FWD cars on a curvy track. AWD isnt always best either, but it can get you out of corners under full throttle which is what I am used to, well track driving wise.

So I would not build a monster GTI track build. Just a very fun street car, canyon carver car I think suits the GTI better. For my liking and usage anyway. It will see a track, just not like I did in the past. You guys see the fee's at the tracks now? GGEEEZZEE prices have doubled since I last went. Crazy.

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Even more reinforcement on this topic. Not to beat a dead horse here.

I too can relate. From having a 04' Wrx that was heavily modded to this 12' GTI. I'll admit is a step down in the "Fun" department. Getting looks and hoots about the car always made my day.

Now. People on the road don't look twice at me for a little adrenaline on the way to work. It's a little saddening, yes. However, I think this car has the potential to make good power and if attention is what you're looking for just throw an obnoxious Cat-Back on and I'm fairly certain you'll get the looks again. Lol. Because it matters, right?

Not to mention the lack of payments, that alone would be enough to keep me from a new car. If you GTI is truly "Bone stock" you have yet to experience what this platform can do.

I've only had mine for a few months now and with the small cost in upgrades I've put into it, I can already tell its an amazing machine with loads of potential.
Thank You for your insight....much appreciated

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I think the GTI lacks the exoticness of a car like an EVO 9 MR. You just don't see them around that often and that is why the GTI can get dull sometimes. At least in my neck of the woods, they are EVERYWHERE. I mean, VW hasn't stopped production on them since they came out whereas EVOs have come and gone.

I had the exact same feelings as you when I owned a Neon SRT4. Can laugh all you want but they are fast as ballz stock and very easy to mod for even bigger power. I was in love with that car. It got so much attention everywhere I went (including the negative ).

The GTI was my feeling of maturing up and wanting something a bit more tame and practical, but still could be fun. I honestly didn't expect it to be as slow as it was stock, but a Stg1 tune can get it feeling a little bit more fun. Of course it doesn't end there because then you just want more and more, and here I am with a K04 on the way. I'm hoping to capture some of the insanity the SRT4 provided me with the K04, but I feel you. I was tempted multiple times to trade the GTI because I just was a little bored of it and with the issues that arose for such low mileage, I didn't have much faith in it. Here's hoping I can still get a lot more years out of it with the K04 mod. I got 1 year left to pay it off.
I can honestly say I would have gotten rid of my gti 3 years ago if I didn't k04 it. I am still in love with the car these days. LSD, good suspension, poly bushings, and motor mounts make this car a blast to drive.
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