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Old 08-24-2017, 10:37 AM   #57
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I can honestly say I would have gotten rid of my gti 3 years ago if I didn't k04 it. I am still in love with the car these days. LSD, good suspension, poly bushings, and motor mounts make this car a blast to drive.
I believe you. You have done these things to your car, and fortunately you were able to do much of the work yourself. I used to do the same thing with my cars of past, but due to a back injury from several years ago, I just cant turn wrenches on cars like I used to. So in my case I would have to pay for installation of many of the things that would make this car better. I am guesstimating that with a K04, LSD and supporting mods installed we are looking at 10g's. Granted I dont have to do it all at once, but I look at my car in the garage and think, 10g's to make this car into something I would like it to be, or sell, take the money and 10g's as a down on something that already is.

That is the question. I realize no one can answer it, and in a way its my fault. I never realized how spoiled I was driving an Evo of some sorts for over ten years. It was just what I drove, it was the norm. You get into something else, even something as good as the GTI and I feel like I took a few steps back.

My tracking days are not going to be as hard core as before either. Back issues cant handle it. I just would like to do it occasionally if I can and have something turn key that I can drive whenever, wherever including the track. Makes total financial sense to keep the GTI and work on it. Dont know.

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older pic of my GTI prior OEM LED Tails.
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Thanks for all your insight guys...Im just sitting tight and will figure somethign out..

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Old 08-24-2017, 10:59 AM   #58
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I havent read the article yet that you linked but I will. Thank you for the link. What I do know thus far from guys I know at the track is the RS does or can overheat the Rear Diff. They have seen that happen a few times. Also, the RS factory brake pads suck. That is with all cars, I will admit the the Evo 9 at least the MR came with some sick street pads from the factory. I tracked on them for days without fade yet they only lasted a month, but still haha.
Yeah definitely read the article before you buy. The issues with the car aren't just the usual street pads fading on the track, but more fundamental things. Actually here's a pretty good summary:

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Mostly I was disappointed in the factory suspension design, the understeer heavy handling, tires that were too small for the weight and power, the computer controlled "RDU" rear axle that didn't do what it was supposed to do, the high oil temps, and the somewhat lackluster lap times. The track performance we saw first hand just didn't seem to live up to hype and real world costs for these cars ($45K is a common price I see for a lot of RS cars), in my view. It had more issues than most, but I doubt it has anything we cannot "fix".
He goes on to recommend a bunch of other cars better suited for track use. Might be some cars in there you hadn't considered yet.

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I would never track the GTI like I did my Evo of yesteryear, FWD tracking takes a whole different style of driving. I can re learn of course, but I am not used to heavy trail braking which is a MUST for FWD cars on a curvy track. AWD isnt always best either, but it can get you out of corners under full throttle which is what I am used to, well track driving wise.
You'd be surprised how quickly you can pick up FWD. I mostly drive RWD cars at the track, but the couple times I tracked my GTI it was pretty intuitive to be honest. If you're already used to some trail-braking entering corners, it's just a matter of adding more of it to get the car to rotate. After that, it's mostly limiting power understeer exiting corners and then managing heat in the front tires and brakes. FWD isn't my cup of tea either, but the car is decently quick for what it is. In the advanced group I had a good time mixing it up with some of the slower cars (track prepped NA/NB Miatas, etc.)

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You guys see the fee's at the tracks now? GGEEEZZEE prices have doubled since I last went. Crazy.
Haha no kidding. If I add up the amount I've spent on track days the past few years I'd probably cry. I've got enough experience now where I could do an instructor school and get free track days by taking on students, but my wife isn't crazy about the idea of getting in the car with novices.
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Haha no kidding. If I add up the amount I've spent on track days the past few years I'd probably cry. I've got enough experience now where I could do an instructor school and get free track days by taking on students, but my wife isn't crazy about the idea of getting in the car with novices.

same. I do about 10-15 track days a year. It adds up so fast. I took on some students for the first time this season, not really a big fan honestly. It makes for a super long day if you are getting out of your session, then hopping right into a students car.
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Yeah definitely read the article before you buy. The issues with the car aren't just the usual street pads fading on the track, but more fundamental things. Actually here's a pretty good summary:



He goes on to recommend a bunch of other cars better suited for track use. Might be some cars in there you hadn't considered yet.



You'd be surprised how quickly you can pick up FWD. I mostly drive RWD cars at the track, but the couple times I tracked my GTI it was pretty intuitive to be honest. If you're already used to some trail-braking entering corners, it's just a matter of adding more of it to get the car to rotate. After that, it's mostly limiting power understeer exiting corners and then managing heat in the front tires and brakes. FWD isn't my cup of tea either, but the car is decently quick for what it is. In the advanced group I had a good time mixing it up with some of the slower cars (track prepped NA/NB Miatas, etc.)



Haha no kidding. If I add up the amount I've spent on track days the past few years I'd probably cry. I've got enough experience now where I could do an instructor school and get free track days by taking on students, but my wife isn't crazy about the idea of getting in the car with novices.
Thank You for your input and I will read the article. I do appreciate your time in my personal dilemma.

Friends of mine from the Evo world have told me they have seen their fair share of RS issues at the tracks. It actually puzzles me to be honest because Ford specifically designed the RS to handle 30 min of track use at a time. Maybe they just didn't give it much room for error. We know people all drive differently and to vouch for 30 minutes of track use for all driving styles may have been a reach to say the least.

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Old 08-24-2017, 12:18 PM   #61
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same. I do about 10-15 track days a year. It adds up so fast. I took on some students for the first time this season, not really a big fan honestly. It makes for a super long day if you are getting out of your session, then hopping right into a students car.
I was approached to teach as well. I didn't go for it mainly due to safety issues I felt the "students" cars had. Even though their respective cars would pass tech, some of the suspension tuning was so bad that we would be bouncing off bump stops and normal speeds during the orientation of the track lap. I got out of the car, and said, "Dude, seriously how do you drive this thing" I refused to do any laps at speed in the car for what I felt were "Safety Issues". Some students thought I was some stuck up prick, but I take it seriously. They didn't, so I walked away from it.

All this stuff you guys are giving me is food for thought.


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I was approached to teach as well. I didn't go for it mainly due to safety issues I felt the "students" cars had. Even though their respective cars would pass tech, some of the suspension tuning was so bad that we would be bouncing off bump stops and normal speeds during the orientation of the track lap. I got out of the car, and said, "Dude, seriously how do you drive this thing" I refused to do any laps at speed in the car for what I felt were "Safety Issues". Some students thought I was some stuck up prick, but I take it seriously. They didn't, so I walked away from it.

All this stuff you guys are giving me is food for thought.


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There's a lot of that unfortunately. I ask a lot of questions. Namely what kind of fluid are you using, when was it last flushed, what kind of pad etc. I usually will ask to drive their car first for a few laps before agreeing to get in as a passenger.
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Friends of mine from the Evo world have told me they have seen their fair share of RS issues at the tracks. It actually puzzles me to be honest because Ford specifically designed the RS to handle 30 min of track use at a time. Maybe they just didn't give it much room for error. We know people all drive differently and to vouch for 30 minutes of track use for all driving styles may have been a reach to say the least.
Yeah I read that somewhere too, but I just don't see it with the way the RS comes setup from the factory. Ford also had issues with their base GT350's overheating at the track (I think they're actually getting sued by owners over this), so their track testing might not be too rigorous. FWIW I did come across an RS at the track last year and he didn't seem to be having any overheating issues, but it was a cool day and he was going at a slower pace. Probably still feeling the car out, but at least it shows the RS can handle track duty in the right conditions I guess.

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same. I do about 10-15 track days a year. It adds up so fast. I took on some students for the first time this season, not really a big fan honestly. It makes for a super long day if you are getting out of your session, then hopping right into a students car.
One of my friends started instructing recently and says the exact same thing. He's constantly hopping into students' cars and never has time to get his car sorted before his session is gridding. When I think about it though, I'm almost always riding in friends' cars anyway or having friends ride along so it might not be that different for me. Maybe not 2, but I'd take on 1 student per weekend if it means $50 track days! Too bad my wife doesn't think the same way

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If nothing is wrong with your car and it's paid off, I would not trade it in/sell it to have car payments.

$500/mo is $500. Sorry but there's no way in hell I would pay $32K for a Ford Focus.
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If nothing is wrong with your car and it's paid off, I would not trade it in/sell it to have car payments.

$500/mo is $500. Sorry but there's no way in hell I would pay $32K for a Ford Focus.
Try $42K

You are right $500 a month is $500 a month.


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Old 08-25-2017, 12:23 PM   #66
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Can anyone help me figure out how to put photos on here? I tried some links not sure if you could see those, I used to use Photo Bucket but they wont allow you to share photos without paying a fee. Is there a new app or something out there to post the photos?

Thanks. That way I can share photos of the cars with you all..


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If nothing is wrong with your car and it's paid off, I would not trade it in/sell it to have car payments.

$500/mo is $500. Sorry but there's no way in hell I would pay $32K for a Ford Focus.
Something to think about though:

Is a Lancer worth $500 a month? Lancer Evolution

Is an Impreza worth $500 a month? STI

Is a Golf worth $500 a month? R

Is a Focus worth $500 a month? RS

The only one of the group that even remotely looks like a $40k car is the Golf inside and out. I have not considered a Golf R for several reasons. 1) VW dealers dont have many of them and dont really deal, at least not in SoCal. 2) I look at my GTI and an R and I am like....yeah not much difference going on there to warrant the $$$$ and 3) Even though the R is the "top" Golf in many regards, on track it is the worst of the group above mentioned. Or I should say is the least "turn key" track car of the group. So just never looked at them.

Did you guys see the new European Car Mag? GTI and all plaid on the cover?? Pretty cool, good article in there about an MK6 GTI modded with Unitronic gear. Inspiring me.


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I look at my GTI and an R and I am like....yeah not much difference going on there to warrant the $$$



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Really? Not the AWD? Or the stock is38 turbo? The fact that's it's made in Germany over Mexico? The better interior? Need more?


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