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Old 07-21-2011, 01:23 AM   #29
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Honestly, I think it'd be way cooler if you did a FI swapped drivetrain from a salvaged Passat/CC 3.6 4mo. I've seen them both in salvage auction selling well below $5k. 2nd and 4th gen haldex respectively a base of ~300hp in a fairly light compact box thats already set up to fit..mostly. Then TT it up. RAI was looking for 600+ hp out of their project 3.6 CC. It would sound way cooler than a LSX, it would be AWD like you wanted, and VW kids wouldn't hate on you so much.
That would be very cool, but very difficult, that motor would need a new bottom end to handle the power most likely.

LSX would be very easy and cheap, for $5000 I can easily get a motor and trans with a small cam in it and have 400plus horsepower with serious torque. Just need a Golf R rear end with stronger axles and custom driveshaft. I may have to alter the floor pan and firewall for engine and transmission clearance but that would be easy.

I dont think VW kids would hate, hopefully they would think it was cool, but maybe it would be like a honda fanboy who saw a V8 in civic or something.



I have seen in VW magazines some pretty crazy fabrication work and motor swaps.
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Old 07-21-2011, 01:26 AM   #30
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this project was attempted on a MKV GTI/R32 to convert the GTI to AWD/RWD, it was "ATTEMPTED" and fell through because cost was way above the value of the cost it would be to buy an R32 and turbo it. You will spend far more than $10k on this V8/AWD conversion.

Also, modification to the rear will be required as the spare tire wheel wells in the hatch sit higher on the R's to make room for the AWD components. This is not as easy at it may appear.

But by all means, baller, take on the project and report back. Be sure to post cost of the project in total as you go along. That way by the time you're done, I can price out a turbo'd R32/BT Golf R, or a new M3 for the price you dropped on doing this. Those cars will still be faster.
The cost would be high for someone who was paying someone else to do it for them. For me all I would need is the raw materials. Maybe at the end I would need a tuner to help me to keep my gauges and interface working.
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Old 07-21-2011, 01:31 AM   #31
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There's another point I haven't noticed anyone bringing up. VWs 4motion systems are based off of FWD "when the front wheels slip the rear wheels grip" basically opposite to BMW and nearly identical to Mini's new All4 system. When you put RWD into a FWD car it's going to kill handling all of VW and Audis cars with the exception of the R8 are made to be FWD biased.

Anyway going back to AWD if you find salvaged parts and can perform the work yourself it should end up being what a base R would cost including what you've already paid for the GTI. Now if you want to be a true badass you'll shove an Audi 4.2 under the hood or even a new 3.0 supercharged, then you sir would have the most awesome mk6 GTI ever.

But still won't compare to my Harley twin cam 88 Mk1 GTi.......one day one day.
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Old 07-21-2011, 01:42 AM   #32
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Old 07-21-2011, 02:59 AM   #33
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Everyone just needs to take a deep breath and huff some Jenkum.
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Old 07-21-2011, 05:29 AM   #34
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Old 07-21-2011, 05:31 AM   #35
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im sure in can be done couse i've seen an AWD GTI in Greece.
i think they also post some videos somewhere in this forum.
try search for their post and contact them for details.
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Old 07-21-2011, 08:42 AM   #36
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Honestly I think the op is just high off of some jenkum and isn't thinking "realistically" lol jk. I'm sure this could happen and it would be a badass GTI but will it perform to how you think it will? I'd much rather spend the money to do things to the GTI that you know will turn out better. Stage 3 kit plus all engine mounts, TBE, best intercoolers, best street tires, cosmetic looks, etc. You can still make a badass GTI unique without having to do AWD and engine swaps. Plus how reliable will your GTI be after you do all that is planned?
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Old 07-21-2011, 09:01 AM   #37
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Not the whole rear end. I have a brand new Haldex unit (the electronic potion for the rear dif)
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Old 07-21-2011, 09:43 AM   #38
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Since OP mentioned $10K being something that he is not willing to spend to trade up to an R, that might be his limit. And I don't see this swap to AWD being less than that. Most parts you get off the parts catalog will cost more than what you paid for on a car that comes with them. And unless you find a totaled R with most of the part still in tact(from non-US source if you want to do this before the R show up on our shore), you will HAVE to buy something from VW and that will add up over 10K pretty rapidly....

Money no object, it might be a cool project, but for money no object there are a lot more interesting project I'd attempt than this....for most consumer product if you can buy it its' probably better to do that instead of making it....Though crazier things have been done....
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Old 07-21-2011, 09:49 AM   #39
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Honestly, I think it'd be way cooler if you did a FI swapped drivetrain from a salvaged Passat/CC 3.6 4mo. I've seen them both in salvage auction selling well below $5k. 2nd and 4th gen haldex respectively a base of ~300hp in a fairly light compact box thats already set up to fit..mostly. Then TT it up. RAI was looking for 600+ hp out of their project 3.6 CC. It would sound way cooler than a LSX, it would be AWD like you wanted, and VW kids wouldn't hate on you so much.
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Old 07-21-2011, 10:11 AM   #40
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it HAS been done on a similar skoda (FWD 2.0tsi) here.. there was a thread about a very powerful skoda i don't remember very well.. i do remember that they said it could be done for around 6000 or 7000$ by them..
if i ever come across it again i'll tell you
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Old 07-21-2011, 11:26 AM   #42
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The MKV GTI/R32 swap mentioned earlier was being done entirely by the owner. He/she had all the necessary skills in welding, fabrication, etc and did all the work in the garage. The issues they ran into were basically that you will need the floor, gas tank, entire drivetrain, and entire electrical system (you need most of it so might as well be all) in order to control the AWD. IIRC they could successfully install the hardware, but they couldn't afford the supporting systems necessary to actually make it work.

Since the Golf R is not here yet, you might be able to source a MKV and retrofit the systems, or as mentioned try a CC. But buying new this will cost you more than a Stage III Golf R would and it would still have less power.
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