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View Poll Results: Can you drive stick?
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Old 09-16-2011, 06:33 AM   #57
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Point taken. It's still really bad during rush hour commutes which end up being 90% of my drive now.

So I hope you can understand my general animosity towards it. The drive is tolerable if you could at least remove that aspect of the drive.
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Old 09-16-2011, 09:09 AM   #58
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I learned last year on my dad's '74 Triumph TR6. A man's man car. After that, I thought the GTI was a little soft, I was scared to push it around. But before that I was driving my sisters Passat 1.8T and a 99' Jeep Wrangler. I honestly think driving automatic just isn't as fun now. I'll probably drive mostly sticks from now on.

I think the biggest benefit to driving stick is the range of cars you can drive, from modern super cars to the original Mk1 GTI. You can get an appreciation for the individual feel and drive of a certain car. I've driven my GTI, the 74' Tr6 and a 63' Corvair, and each one is fun and unique in it's own way.
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Old 09-16-2011, 09:17 AM   #59
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It's a 100% necessary life skill, like knowing how to tie your shoes. Sure you could buy slip-ons for the rest of your life, but that would just be stupid.

I learned when I was 14 on a 1987 Toyota MR2 (older brother's car). He brought me to a road with a steep, backward rolling hill and said "don't roll back" You learn fast that way : )

Haven't owned an automatic since.

I drive a manual because it forces you to be more involved in the driving experience and driving is one of my favorite things. I don't agree that a machine can decide for me, which is the best gear to select. Ever. Sure it may be able to do it faster, but it doesn't know what I know. That said, the DSG is awesome, just not for me.
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Old 09-16-2011, 10:53 AM   #60
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I learned to drive stick back in high school on an old Ford Fiesta to get clutch work down (was in drivers ed. and they had it around for people that wanted to learn manual, but it was beat to hell because of that). Then really learned on a friend's GMC Sonoma small pickup 4 speed my first year of college. Talk about a numb clutch and long throws

Then didn't touch a manual until I moved in with my roommate about 4 years ago who had a Passat wagon manual (don't see those every day) with a stage 2+ clutch which he used for autoX. Talk about minimum engagement point. It's either you are on or off, very little in between. But hey, it taught me clutch work quickly.

Then finally got back into manual with my Saab 9-3 I got. Fun car with the turbo, nice car with all the amenities it had for the price too. Unfortunately, my roommate's gf decided to wreck it when I let her borrow it (note to self: NO ONE gets to drive my car other than me now).

And now I'm in a 2.5 manual. Not as much power, but a lot more MPGs
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Old 09-16-2011, 12:31 PM   #61
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Learned stick on an old Chevy Cavalier (like a stick in bucket of rocks), then really got comfortable on a BMW Z3 (shifts like butter). After feeling the difference between the two, I made sure all my subsequent cars have had great clutch/shifter combos (RSX , STI , etc.) Makes it much easier to drive smoothly and heel-toe every downshift.

Went with auto/DSG this time on the GTI though and no regrets, great transmission.

BTW, not sure what the point of this poll is. Aren't you going to have a massive self-selection bias issue?
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Old 09-16-2011, 01:55 PM   #62
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Old 09-16-2011, 02:08 PM   #63
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Yes, learned on my big brother's friend's 1970 Diesel Rabbit when I was 12. Wasn't allowed to leave the parking lot. When I proved that I can at least do stick without missing up the gearbox I was allowed to stage their cars.

I really didn't learn how to drive stick until I was 16 with an US drivers license in my cousin's '69 Cooper S (and it was in horrible condition. Using the turn signals or lights would cause an electrical fire!) driving through downtown Lisbon rush hour traffic to go to the Algarves. I still have nightmares from that drive. The only good thing about that Mini was that it was easy to park.

Currently in a DSG since I travel into Philly, NYC, and DC. I'm regretting getting the DSG and I wished I got a Stick, but the DSG is so convenient in traffic.

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Old 09-16-2011, 02:12 PM   #64
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BTW, not sure what the point of this poll is. Aren't you going to have a massive self-selection bias issue?
Possibly, but the point was that when the DSG or Manual discussion threads happen, a lot of the DSG drivers seem younger (I base this on the way they write and represent themselves i.e. 'DSG FTW yo!' etc. ) and I've met a lot of younger drivers in recent years who never learned to drive a standard so it made me wonder if a lot of the pro DSG camp were biased because that was the only thing they new how to drive. I don't personally care either way and can apprecaite a good automatic, so I was just curious. Too bad most of the guys who can't, won't vote in the poll. Just curious is all.
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Old 09-16-2011, 02:15 PM   #65
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Actually, the EPA rates DSG 3mpg higher.
That has been proven BS over and over again. The manual cars get superior MPG in both gas and especially in diesel form.

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The technology is no doubt superior and that is why it costs more to buy and more to maintain. The technology of the DSG blows away that of the manual which was invented in like the late 19th century..
A lot of ppl are f'ing up their clutches way before 100k, in that case the DSG maintenance is cheaper than a new clutch. And since you don't need to "shift" a DSG you can't really f it up.
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Old 09-16-2011, 02:37 PM   #66
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Yeah the DSG EPA thing must be bullshit. What is that based on? That everyone who has DSG is going to leave it in 'D'? If that were the case, maybe so but I've consistently averaged 26mpg in mixed driving (27.8 on the MFD) and mid 30s hwy and thats with a fair amount of acceleration and opening it up so unless the DSGs are pulling off high 20s in mixed city/hwy driving, I don't buy it. Totally marketing BS. Manual I can skip gears to save fuel etc.
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Old 09-16-2011, 02:50 PM   #67
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I learnt stick on a Nissan Sentra - this was my first car.
My then boyfriend and now husband had to test drive it and then drive it home for me when I bought it in 1998 (dating myself a tad). I've been driving stick pretty much ever since.
The car did not even have a tach so I had to learn to listen to my engine, which is a skill I like, you learn about your car that way.

Currently I own a 2012 and i have the bulb out warning from installing the R Tails (which shows in my tach area) so since I don't really look at my tach I don't really pay attention to the light.
Being a girl - who has a bit of an ego - I like being able to talk to people in my office (male execs) and say "Oh my car is 6spd", suddenly it feels like I'm allowed into a little club.
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Possibly, but the point was that when the DSG or Manual discussion threads happen, a lot of the DSG drivers seem younger (I base this on the way they write and represent themselves i.e. 'DSG FTW yo!' etc. ) and I've met a lot of younger drivers in recent years who never learned to drive a standard so it made me wonder if a lot of the pro DSG camp were biased because that was the only thing they new how to drive. I don't personally care either way and can apprecaite a good automatic, so I was just curious. Too bad most of the guys who can't, won't vote in the poll. Just curious is all.
Yeah, if you could force everyone on the site to take your poll, I think the results would be interesting. Unfortunately, I think the only ones who are going to respond to the poll are the ones who can drive stick (which based on your results, it looks like is happening). I've heard somewhere that half of the GTI's in the US are sold with stick and the other half DSG, so the split on this site is probably similar.
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Yeah, if you could force everyone on the site to take your poll, I think the results would be interesting. Unfortunately, I think the only ones who are going to respond to the poll are the ones who can drive stick (which based on your results, it looks like is happening). I've heard somewhere that half of the GTI's in the US are sold with stick and the other half DSG, so the split on this site is probably similar.
Yeah, you're right it seems. I guess they are either uninterested, don't know what that means or think they'd be made fun of or something. Which they would. Mercilessly.
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Yeah, you're right it seems. I guess they are either uninterested, don't know what that means or think they'd be made fun of or something. Which they would. Mercilessly.
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