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Old 11-21-2011, 06:46 PM   #1
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no more are going to 2012 A3 quattro instead

I decided not to get the R any more and I'm going for a 2012 Audi A3 Titanium edition instead

reasons why i realized i don't want a manual car any more and the FSI (TSI ) motor isn't to friendly with performance upgrades CAM FOLLOWER!

the A3 has the new audi TFSI motor and Quattro along with S tronic (DSG)
i plan on putting APR K04 kit on it and making 360 380 to the motor. I think in the long run the A3 will be quicker and have more room to grow

but i do really like the R still just the manual is a deal breaker
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Old 11-21-2011, 06:59 PM   #2
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The older FSI motor is still structurally stronger than the TSI engine, but S-tronic is worth it.

Don't know about the A3's (haven't seen a 2012 Quattro) but the 2012 TT 2.0T's come with AVS and have no MAF sensor in the intake tube. Output is bumped to 245/285.
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Old 11-21-2011, 07:01 PM   #3
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Since when is there an A3 with AWD ? I thought they were all FWD.
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Old 11-21-2011, 07:06 PM   #4
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nah quattro has awd only thing is that it dosent have a manual tranny
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Old 11-21-2011, 07:07 PM   #5
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doesn't the R also have the "new TFSI" motor? At least you get the four rings/brand recognition with the Audi for all the money you are paying, compared to the R.
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Old 11-21-2011, 07:18 PM   #6
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nah quattro has awd only thing is that it dosent have a manual tranny
Oh I didn't know they brought em in the quattro versions... makes a lot more sense than an R.... IMO.
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Old 11-21-2011, 07:31 PM   #7
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same here - I've rarely seen them in quattro with the turbo in my area, but I was told on here a while back that they exist, it just seems to be fairly rare.
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Old 11-21-2011, 08:01 PM   #8
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The A3 with Quattro is the way to go. I've been preaching this since they started offering the 2.0T with Quattro for the 2009 model year. It's a combination that can't be beat. TSI and all wheel drive. The best of the both.
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Old 11-21-2011, 08:02 PM   #9
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Its a nice car. My old manager just bought a 2012 A3 Quattro - very popular car here in Seattle. However it gets really expensive once you start checking the boxes for options.

I drove it around a few blocks and it felt really slow. However it had about 150 miles and is all stock.
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Old 11-21-2011, 08:53 PM   #10
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but i do really like the R still just the manual is a deal breaker
Agreed,The DSG is the deal breaker of the car. On Youtube you can watch nothing but DSG versions of the R.Even the Scirocco R on a Japanese circuit beats a Evo X,STI,Type R.The VW marketing this time is the opposite.I hope they can change that with future R's and bring to the States the DGS option..
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Old 11-21-2011, 08:57 PM   #11
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I had the same epiphany 3 months ago... then I received pricing from Audi for the A3 they had to order (because they only carried TDI's). They wanted 3k down $545+tax/month... FOR A LEASE!!! Hahaha! I walked and got another GTI. I didn't need the AWD that bad... and I thought the A3 interior was a step down from the GTI's.
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Old 11-21-2011, 10:39 PM   #12
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Well played. If you are going to pay the money, the Audi seems a far better choice to me than the R. And the Audis doors probably won't rattle and squeek
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Can i ask a stupid question...is anyone planning on buying the golf r to own....not lease...because as i read thru out the forum it sounds like everyone wants to lease... sorry to get off topic
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Leasing isn't for everybody but in many cases it is a tax effective way of owning a depreciating vehicle without tying up your cash. The idea is that you reduce your taxable income (hence reducing the amount of tax you pay each year) by paying for your lease out of your pre-tax earnings.
Typically all of the associated cost of owning and running a vehicle are included in the monthly payment and you don't have to worry about servicing, tires, insurance etc as it is all included.
I'm not sure about the US, but in Australia you need to travel a certain amount of miles each year when leasing to avoid paying fringe benefits tax, but you can usually calculate this easily and tailor your leasing package to suit your usage patterns.

You just need to shift your mindset a little and understand that a car is not an asset and that the concept of trying to pay off and own a car is a false economy. You need to view a lease payment as a written off expense towards using and enjoying a new (and usually more expensive) car.
Once you get into this mindset, leasing makes a lot more sense.
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