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Old 02-28-2012, 11:01 PM   #15
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This is interesting to see. Don't know if any VW techs can confirm this, but we have been having issues where 2012-2011 CAEB 2.0T's drain plugs leak when they are replaced with the standard 19mm steel bolt. Additionally, on these newer 2.0T's, you crack the 18mm to remove it and it immediately leaks out, almost as if the threads do not seal all the way in. We've had some instances where in order to get the drain bolt to seal you need to cut off the reusable steel washer on the 19mm bolt and then use a 1.8T style aluminum crush washer in its place.

Lately I've been using our new oil sucker and it works fantastic. Audi has kinda made it clear that they want us sucking the oil out, not draining it.

Oh, those silly Germans.
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Old 04-13-2012, 12:36 AM   #16
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I just purchased a 2012 GTI last weekend, and I can confirm my drain plug is also the recessed hex key type. I wonder if all VW dealers are extracting oil through the dipstick tube, and if it's an official VW mandate? I am planning on doing an oil change every 5k, but I may just let the dealer do it.
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Old 04-13-2012, 05:06 AM   #17
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Why are you changing oil yourself? VW does the 3yr 36,000 mile thing. Just curious.
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Old 04-13-2012, 08:43 AM   #18
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Lately I've been using our new oil sucker and it works fantastic. Audi has kinda made it clear that they want us sucking the oil out, not draining it.

Oh, those silly Germans.
How effective are the oil extractors? A former co-worker told me when he worked at Mercedes they were sucking oil out from an extractor rather than from the drain plug. I guess I can see it making sense when the filter is on top rather than below.

I was thinking of buying this and doing my oil changes at 5k and the dealer every other 5k.
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Old 04-13-2012, 10:14 AM   #19
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How effective are the oil extractors? A former co-worker told me when he worked at Mercedes they were sucking oil out from an extractor rather than from the drain plug. I guess I can see it making sense when the filter is on top rather than below.

I was thinking of buying this and doing my oil changes at 5k and the dealer every other 5k.
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Thats what I do man. So much easier then getting under the car. It does take a little longer since you have to keep on pumping to get all of the oil out.
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Old 04-13-2012, 10:43 AM   #20
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nah, i dnt think extracting is necessary. i will be replacing mine with a ecs tuning magnetic drain plug, which comes with copper washers, so i should be fine.
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Old 04-13-2012, 11:54 AM   #21
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Why are you changing oil yourself? VW does the 3yr 36,000 mile thing. Just curious.
I want to do it more frequently than every 10k. So I may do it on my own at 5k, let the dealer do it at 10k, me at 15k, etc etc.
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Old 05-12-2012, 11:06 PM   #22
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Just to provide an update..I took the GTI to my friend's shop today to drain out the factory fill (about 1k on it, yes I know I am a bit crazy..spending too much time on BITOG will do that to you). I bought the "standard" 19mm bolt with a steel washer from the dealership, and the parts guy also gave me a copper washer he said they're using for the recessed-type hex bolt that comes from the factory on the 2012s. We took the original drain plug out, and it did indeed have a copper washer from the factory. The new copper washer I got from the dealer fit a bit loosely, so I went ahead and used the new bolt with the steel washer. Added oil, ran the car for a bit, then jacked it back up and saw no leaks. So far so good, I'll keep an eye on it to make sure there are no leaks.
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Old 08-13-2012, 08:32 AM   #23
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Just to provide an update..I took the GTI to my friend's shop today to drain out the factory fill (about 1k on it, yes I know I am a bit crazy..spending too much time on BITOG will do that to you). I bought the "standard" 19mm bolt with a steel washer from the dealership, and the parts guy also gave me a copper washer he said they're using for the recessed-type hex bolt that comes from the factory on the 2012s. We took the original drain plug out, and it did indeed have a copper washer from the factory. The new copper washer I got from the dealer fit a bit loosely, so I went ahead and used the new bolt with the steel washer. Added oil, ran the car for a bit, then jacked it back up and saw no leaks. So far so good, I'll keep an eye on it to make sure there are no leaks.
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Just had to take mine back to the dealer here in Germany. They are using a bolt not a hex. My new bolt was leaking after my first full service.
They tightend the pan and used a new bolt, not hex. The factory and dealers are on different pages with this.
My car is a US model 12. Im about to walk out and check for leaks again. The dealer drained the oil and did not syphon it out.
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i bought a new oil pan a few days ago because of a tiny drain plug leak. it came with this new allen bolt style. The allen might look like it has no washer, but its painted black and stuck. You can break it loose and then see it. Break it loose and torque it off the car before you install it if you get a new oil pan. My reg 19mm drain plug started leaking after 3 oil changes. Probably from me overtightening really.. leaking cuz of the threads... not cuz of the washer.. 22 ft lbs. is all it needs.

the key.. i could get my old 19mm bolt to tighten enough so it wouldnt leak. but it broke loose too easy. the threads were compromised. it too far too little effort for me to crack it loose. if you have any doubt, get the new pan, supposedly it is improved. Spent $250 for everything needed.

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Just throwing it out there, but I picked up a 3/8 drive hex bit socket set from Sears for ~15 bucks and came with 3,4,4.5,5,5.5,6,8,10mm hex bits. That way you can just put it on a torque wrench just like a regular socket. Also I didn't replace the washer and 2 weeks later I still have no leaks. 22ft lbs as said previously.
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Old 08-13-2012, 08:56 AM   #26
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Just throwing it out there, but I picked up a 3/8 drive hex bit socket set from Sears for ~15 bucks and came with 3,4,4.5,5,5.5,6,8,10mm hex bits. That way you can just put it on a torque wrench just like a regular socket. Also I didn't replace the washer and 2 weeks later I still have no leaks. 22ft lbs as said previously.
ya.. a hex socket is 10X smarter than an old fashioned allen wrench..
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i bought a new oil pan a few days ago because of a tiny drain plug leak. it came with this new allen bolt style. The allen might look like it has no washer, but its painted black and stuck. You can break it loose and then see it. Break it loose and torque it off the car before you install it if you get a new oil pan. My reg 19mm drain plug started leaking after 3 oil changes. Probably from me overtightening really.. leaking cuz of the threads... not cuz of the washer.. 22 ft lbs. is all it needs.

the key.. i could get my old 19mm bolt to tighten enough so it wouldnt leak. but it broke loose too easy. the threads were compromised. it too far too little effort for me to crack it loose. if you have any doubt, get the new pan, supposedly it is improved. Spent $250 for everything needed.

pan
gasket tube
sensor cover
sensor gasket
3 nuts for cover
Plac where did you get your pan. Im thinking of doing that now. Id like to see what you obtained and then see what is avail here in Germany. Its VW Id assume? Thanks for any response.....
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Plac where did you get your pan. Im thinking of doing that now. Id like to see what you obtained and then see what is avail here in Germany. Its VW Id assume? Thanks for any response.....
my dealer. had to call around to 5 to find one that had it in stock. the pan is about $170 list, but the gasket sealer is $39. Thats the most important part for a successful job. Its the best sealer i ever used, almost like cement.

at first they said $320 out the door. Then I talked them down since they mark up over list.. ended up about $260 out the door.

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