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Old 10-08-2012, 03:20 PM   #15
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was just checking the pricing

1.211,16 EUR shipped for the performance w/ single mass flywheel
1570.90 US$ at today's exchange rate
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Old 10-08-2012, 03:38 PM   #16
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Damn that's an expensive clutch . But if the experience is significantly more like stock (I'm all about OEM+) I might wait to get one. Or, GB?

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Old 10-08-2012, 04:16 PM   #17
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If it doesn't have chatter and the dreaded Southbend QC and customer service problems....it's well worth the few hundred dollars extra in my mind.

I'm very interested in the chatter report.
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Old 10-08-2012, 04:29 PM   #18
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Was looking at these the other week. Nothing for the power levels I am hoping I'll need. Went Southbend stage 4. No harder to drive than the stage 3 endurance which is nice.
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Old 10-08-2012, 05:02 PM   #19
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You referring to the disk or the SACHS unit?
Sorry - was referring to the SACHS unit. Seems like the SB disk good for K04 power levels but nothing beyond that because the pressure plate becomes the limiting factor at that point, correct?
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Old 10-08-2012, 05:13 PM   #20
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To clarify, this is the exact clutch kit I ordered:


SRE Performance Clutch Kit + One Mass Flywheel
[883089.000046]
Complete kit with lightened one mass flywheel (7.2kg) Transmittable Torque 530+Nm


One important thing to notice is the + sign after the torque rating figure. The general agreement is that these SRE clutches are rated to 1.5 times the conservative rating. Therefore, the clutch should hold pretty much hold whatever you throw at it unless you dump the clutch regularly...
Where is the 1.5 times the rating factor stated? Curious for piece of mind. Im a fan of this set up if that is true.
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Old 10-08-2012, 05:54 PM   #21
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Kthor703 answered your concern.
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Old 10-08-2012, 06:17 PM   #22
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And pictures added for your viewing pleasure.
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Old 10-08-2012, 07:02 PM   #23
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Sweet, thanks for all the information
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Old 10-08-2012, 07:07 PM   #24
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Sorry - was referring to the SACHS unit. Seems like the SB disk good for K04 power levels but nothing beyond that because the pressure plate becomes the limiting factor at that point, correct?
That is my understanding. K04 power has been tested..not sure about Stage 3.....IF i win the raffle at the APR BBQ this weekend, ill let you know how it holds up
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Kthor703 answered your concern.
Thanks!

I look forward to how it progresses. I like this kit.
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Old 10-09-2012, 10:16 AM   #26
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While everyone was talking about about uprated clutches, I did a lot of listening. The popular choices seem to be Southbend, Clutchmasters and some people have Bully Clutches.

The painted style pressure plate most manufacturers use is not necessarily confidence inspiring, and may members seem to have gone through some horrible experiences with clutch jobs, so much so that many are deterred from chipping their cars because of these happenings.

I then directed my attention to Sachs the Oem manufacturer of our "weak" clutches, and discovered their SRE division. Others have pointed to them before, but none that I know of were looking to bite and be the first to have it on their car.
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From the S3 forum

And some pictures of what went in:


IMG_4435 by tudorior, on Flickr
That appears to be the same exact pressure plate that everyone else uses, and paints their own color. These companies don't make their own products, they take oem SACHS pressure plates and hub assemblies, and put their own friction materials on. Sometimes the center hubs on the disk are different, but they are still SACHS parts in the end. That first clutchmasters picture looks exactly like my Southbend.. except my pressure plate and center hub are both red

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Clutchmasters:


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Old 10-09-2012, 10:38 AM   #27
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They use a sachs pressure plate. That isn't what fails.

It's the center hub on the disk that fails.

My SB review thread was very specific about the shortcomings of the non-silent design.

The cheap clutchnet hubs that SB, CM & etc use on their disks are all just ticking time bombs for failure.


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SRE is the Sach's performance division. I prefer to know that they know what they are doing, since they have at least the same development resources as OEM.
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Old 10-09-2012, 10:43 AM   #28
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From the vortex, warning of carnagehttp://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4334361/page8
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Here is a nice comparision pic for the ARCHIVES
Remember when you geek ass vortex friend says that his car have been fine for years and years with his cool painted crap plate.

Yes .... when you have a 200tq K03 , Gt28 whatever equiped 1.6-1.8 litre engine they will be fine.

The OEM will even be fine

OEM sachs mod plate that ALL f!"% aftermarket companies use.
Its a DEADLY tool that have almost killed 5 vortexers.

Our team have killed 3 plates for 3 different cars , 3 different drivers , 3 different styles of cars in one week.
one drag , one street and one daily driven car.
All far under the 495tq that they claim to hold.

And at the same time i want to warn you about alu flywheels.
The bolts acctually RIP RIGHT OUT when the rivets go.
A steel FW and the clutch would just have slipped

The damage is horrifying.

Compare this.

Plate 1: aftermarket 495tq plate.
Thin casing , thin cast oem disc surface , crap OEM or china,brazilian,russian rivets
ITS UNBALANCED

They bend , heat and add some sort of ring under the OEM 240mm plate.

rivet gone



Plate 2
SACHS race 450tq plate

MUCH thicker
Much better springs
Supperior disc surface
Its factory balanced






Team members car.

its a 10 000$ DRP box
This one is rated 496ft/lb and car had maximum of 440ft/lb
Just like what happend to Frankies stuff also.

The modified OEM covers are a bit unpredictable.











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