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Old 11-09-2012, 12:47 PM   #1
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Quest to defeat ESP... Join!

R owners on vortex have been posting on VWoA's FB page and I didn't want you to miss the fun.

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http://www.facebook.com/VW?fref=ts

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http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...-The-US-Golf-R...

My post:
"VWoA, if you're listening, if you care, if the buyers of the most expensive and "elite" Golf's ever sold in the states mean anything at all to you; please provide an update that puts control back into the hands of the driver. Please allow the Golf R drivers in the United States to fully disable ESP.

Oh, and please fire whatever "suit" came up with this ridiculous idea."
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Old 11-09-2012, 01:03 PM   #2
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Old 11-09-2012, 01:18 PM   #3
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It would be fantastic if any of our enthusiast GTI driving VW brethren could join the cause! You do not need to drive an R to do what is right! Even if you just take 30 seconds to "like" what others have posted, that would be a service to the VW enthusiast community as a whole!
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Old 11-09-2012, 02:55 PM   #4
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I wonder why it is not able to be fully disabled in the USA. Probably because of excessive litigation concerns, DOT being overly protective of the population or what? Even Audi does this with some of their cars now in North America, they will not provide the roadside emergency jack ( aka widow maker) although it is still provided to all owners in the rest of the world. Though there is good reason, the roadside jack is a complete pile of crap.
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Old 11-09-2012, 03:14 PM   #5
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How excessive can the litigation concerns be with at most 5,000 R's in the states? I can make an uneducated guess (bc I really dont know) that other manufacturers of "enthuisiast" type cars have way more than 5k cars out there in the US market with defeatable ESP. Hence, I conclude that VW is being unnecessarily risk averse or that other car manufacturers are callously negligent. I doubt the latter is the case...
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Old 11-09-2012, 03:36 PM   #6
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Old 11-09-2012, 03:54 PM   #7
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I just posted up! I was looking for other Golf R comments but saw none?

http://www.facebook.com/VW/posts/101...0?notif_t=like
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Old 11-09-2012, 04:01 PM   #8
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I just posted up! I was looking for other Golf R comments but saw none?

http://www.facebook.com/VW/posts/101...0?notif_t=like
Click on 'Highlights' and 'posts by others'
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Old 11-09-2012, 04:21 PM   #9
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I just went back and found them all, liked them all, commented on a few others.. Looks like they have to acknowledge this issue now! LOTS of posts on there :-)
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Old 11-09-2012, 05:01 PM   #10
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I love the response I got from their scribe... Makes me hope that the "appropriate channels within Volkswagen" is not a black hole...
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Old 11-09-2012, 05:23 PM   #11
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Doesn't disabling the steering angle sensor in VCDS deactivate the ESP? It works on the GTI...
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Old 11-09-2012, 05:26 PM   #12
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Good luck complaining to VW via FB hoping for change. But I wouldn't hold my breath if I was you. VW thoroughly developed, evaluated and approved the ESC as-is, taking into account customer satisfaction as well as warranty and other potential costs such as tort litigation. While revising the ESC isn't all that difficult, there is likely a huge internal bureaucracy that requires validation, approval, etc. At this point I doubt it's cost effective for them for them to revise the ESC, especially considering that you've already bought the car and their rationale for not offering ESC defeat probably has not changed. If ESC defeat was the one thing keeping them from selling their US allocation of Golf Rs then they might think different but ESC defeat is probably a minor issue to most buyers. And for those who need ESC defeat there's always the aftermarket. Where there's a will, there's a way!
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Old 11-09-2012, 05:45 PM   #14
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Doesn't disabling the steering angle sensor in VCDS deactivate the ESP? It works on the GTI...
No, this breaks the Haldex AWD controller because it uses the steering angle as an input. Trust me, if this worked no such FB campaign would exist.

Also, never trust anyone that says "trust me".
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