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Initial Review: Nokian Hakkapeliitta R2

R^2

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Let's face it - and as the Starks would say - "Winter is coming".

[Initial 200 Mile Road Test - Golf R Winter Tires]

I had the stock Dunflops "ultra-high performance all-seasons" for 5000 miles and I'll have to say they passed the tire test - I mean, they are round - and they didn't kill me in the rain, but high-performance and all-season... come on now - most of us learned lying was bad when we were young.

I decided to pair the stock 18" R wheels (the ones made from depleted uranium) with a pair of 225/40 Hakkapeliita R2's which just came out in the NA market. I ran WRG2's on my tacoma (before it was totaled in a head on collision with a woman (not a physicist) who thought matter can occupy the same space) short answer = no, no it can not. I also drive a Hilux up in Greenland that has Hakkapeliitas on it (different set up - so not a good comparison).

I have 200 miles on them in 2 days - so let's get to initial review.

Noise: louder than stock, but not by much, on a 1-10 scale with stocks being a 3, these are maybe 4-4.5 - the important factor is they remain in the comfort zone - we'll see if the noise changes as the miles rack up.

Grip: No snow yet, but they feel very grippy - I had a chance to test them in a torrential rain last night and at and above highway speed the tire remained confident and sure footed.

Steering Response: Every one fears the "squish" when moving to a real winter tire - we get nothing for free - but I will say this: again on a scale of 1-10, stock Dunlops being 6.5, these are 5.5. Tight turns at high speed and sharp/quick lane changes remain a pleasure - keeping in mind these are winter tires and not summer sports. I was actually impressed by the extra load rating and stiffness of the sidewall compared to other snow tires. I'm currently running them at 35psi (old tires were at 38psi) too early to tell if the pressure needs to be adjusted.

Price: Not cheap, these tires are possibly overkill for the Northeast, however i'm obsessed with research - the only real competition is the new X-Ice3 (they supposedly did slightly better in hydroplaning tests but other tests like stopping distance on ice was still dominated by the Nokian tire).

Now - the surprise:

Fuel Economy: Better than stock. These tires have a very low rolling resistance and in normal daily driving I've noticed a dramatic (2MPG) change between the two tires. It's gone from 24.4 to 26.4 mpg avg during normal driving habits. 200 miles is too early to tell for sure, but I'm interested in seeing what the long term changes are.

I'll post pictures of the new tires, as well as an update as I rack up the miles and get into the snow.

-Corey
 

R^2

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Consumer Reports: Snow and Ice Tires (The test I was referring too)

"About" Tire Review : New Hakkapeliita R2

Modern Tire Dealer: Winter Tire Trends

 

R^2

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I ordered them and picked them up from Foggs Automotive in Scotia, NY for $230/tire. I think it was $80 for mount and road force balance at the dealer.

With tax and everything all said and done - I think it was just over $1100.

On a sidenote: I was really impressed with how easily 4 tires fit in the back of this car!:thumbup:

-Corey
 

R^2

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Now the battle for the right summer wheel and tire combo begins.
 

patarch

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patarch

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Now the battle for the right summer wheel and tire combo begins.

Getting Michelin PSS's next summer as I tried almost every brand and the PPS's have the best grip, especially for a K04 FWD car like mine.

Cant go wrong with lightweight neuspeed wheels as well..
 

R^2

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Went lightweightish Nuespeed RS12 (in hyperblack) with PSS's - stoked to get them on in the spring. They are hibernating in my closet waiting jus waiting to rip around corners.
 

fredf

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Just bought set as well, will be installing very soon. Can't go wrong with the best winter tire brand out there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C72NcBOjvH0

You work for Nokian? Why post a link to their advertising? Is that supposed to tell us something about the tire? Every tire company has a similar video!

BTW, if you read the Consumer Reports evaluation, they did poorly in hydroplaning. Ice traction is important, but I find in urban areas that slush is more common.
 

R^2

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Fredf,

So suspicious of what, an honest persons review of a newly redesigned snow tire. Who do you work for comrade questions - the guys who developed the X-Ice?

No, I don't work for Nokian. I'm a guy who got hit head on doing 55 MPG in my truck by a woman with bald tires in the winter, now I spend a little extra time spreading the word about winter tires.

Oh, and consumer reports aside, in torrential rain with standing water hydroplaning wasn't an issue, in the wintery mix and slush just the other night, hydroplaning wasn't an issue, even in sever inclement weather it hasn't been an issue. So if they do hydroplane before the X-Ice or whatever snow and ice tire you prefer I haven't found that limit and in real world driving test at or slightly above highway speeds it's been a non issue.
 
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fredf

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Settle down, cowboy. You should have seen that I wasn't even responding to YOU.
And the video I refer to is straight advertising from Nokian.
And where did I ever mention Michelin?
 

R^2

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Sorry Fred,

Rough morning, Leaving tomorrow for a deployment back down to Antarctica.

Didn't even see that - thats how rough the morning was!

My apologies for going in guns blazing - same team.:drinking:
 

R^2

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Just Checking in:

*UPDATE*

1000 miles

-Tires are quite, MPG remains the same as stock (no real change better or worse) I originally was getting slightly better, but I'm overall averaging the same in day to day driving. I'm just glad I didn't see a drop, and for that, I salute you tire.

-Had rain last night that turned into wintery mix, then snow - full on inch of ice this morning with snow on top - no issues. Did the highly technical parking lot figure 8 test - had to really push to get some slip.

Overall - since I can't compare these to anything other than the WRG2's I had on the tacoma, I will just say these tires grip better in snow and ice, and even though they scored slightly lower on the skid pad than the X-Ice if you're driving like mad max in a torrential downpour then maybe the fault lies in the driver and not the tire. I've pushed 'em in corners in the wet and only "walked" slightly sideways remaining very composed.

Overall - Very :D

I will say being properly equipped, no matter the tire will serve better than keeping cut rate all seasons.

It's kinda like your bed, you spend 30% of your life there, and most people cheap out, Spend a lot on your bed, and tires (the only interfaces with the ground), and your back and car will thank you.

#Pampered-R

Yup, went there.

-Corey
 

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*3000 mile update*

Tires did awesome this winter. (They did their job).

They will hydroplane around 80 mph with standing water (found that limit)

Just about time to swap these out for the summer set up. Wear for 3000 miles was reasonable, I feel like asking 2-3 winters more from them is reasonable.
 
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