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CSB3: Rice Writes 5 Page Dissertation On His Daily Schedule - Everyone Schedules Vasectomy Immediately After Reading
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jay745
What Would Glenn Danzig Do
But did you pierce it with a 2x4?It’s my birthday
I’m drunk
And I just admtted in cab discord that I havepiercings
TALK TO YOU GUYS LATERR
DangerDane2008
Autocross Champion
Did a couple myself
sterkrazzy
Autocross Champion
Why do you think they call him Master Splinter?
DangerDane2008
Autocross Champion
Oh no
Nineeightyone
Autocross Champion
let it be known forever
also happy birthday
cb1111
Newbie
A non-car person from Germany sent me this from Quora (?) and me what I thought about it. I'll not share my opinion until you've all had a good laugh:
TL
R - Americans drive more, roads are unpaved and Toyota gives a 15 year warranty.
Translated by Google
Volker Eichener
Professor of Political Science at Düsseldorf University18 June
Why do German cars perform so poorly in terms of reliability in the USA, while the opposite is the case here in Germany?
I have been in the USA regularly since 1984, living with American friends there and have driven several tens of thousands of miles through North America. I have driven several dozen cars from a variety of manufacturers, including Renault, Chrysler, Ford, Lincoln, General Motors, Kia, Genesis (Hyundai), Toyota, VW. The Rabbit that I once drove for a week in Atlanta was the very worst. Here is my clear answer:
Cars are put to completely different demands in North America than they are here. And German cars are not designed for this.
Firstly, annual mileage is much higher. What we drive in a year, Americans drive in a month (on average). Driving 300 km (one way) on a Sunday to go on a two-hour hike is normal. Our maintenance intervals are completely unrealistic by American standards. And if we think it's good if a car lasts 200,000 or 300,000 km, Americans just laugh at that.
Secondly, cars in the USA have to be much more robust. There are a lot of roads there that aren't paved. When we lived in Santa Fe, by the way, it was said that the richest people live in neighborhoods with the worst roads. That's really true. There is also more extreme weather there. The temperatures are more extreme, in summer as well as in winter. And Americans also like to drive into the wilderness, to hunt or camp. The delicate German cars with their sensitive electronics simply don't last.
Thirdly, German cars are considered "overengineered" in the USA. German cars have tons of electrical helpers, assistance systems and engine optimizations, all of which are super-sensitive and can break. Incidentally, I regularly experience that new German cars that I buy in Germany are not OK from the factory. I then have to go to the workshop several times until the problems are more or less eliminated. That would be completely unacceptable in the USA, where the car dealer is probably several hundred miles away.
Fourth, German cars made in America are terrible. Somehow they can't get the quality control right. And they ruin their reputation.
Yes, I can confirm that: German cars do pretty badly in North America when it comes to reliability. And that's because they're really bad.
The most reliable cars in the world are Asian cars, even if I don't like to say it. Toyota is the first. Why can Toyota afford to give a 15-year guarantee? No German manufacturer can do that, not even in Germany. The German engineers should be ashamed of themselves.
But they are encouraged to produce poor quality by German customers. German customers look like crazy at technical data (which no one in North America cares about), and if one car accelerates from 0 to 100 by 0.1 seconds faster than another, they give it preference. And of course the top speed has to be top-notch and the fuel consumption has to be top-notch too. How do you do that? Low emissions, high performance and low fuel consumption? - Through absolute optimization. And that inevitably comes at the expense of robustness. The Asians do it differently: mediocre engine performance, mediocre fuel consumption, but the things just don't break down.
I can't say anything about American cars in Germany. I hardly know any American cars that are sold in Germany. They are absolute exotics and not at all representative. And American brands don't have the best reputation in America either. When I recently booked a luxury rental car in Florida (due to a special offer), the employee recommended that we not take a Cadillac, as there were only two of us, but a Genesis - "my favorite car." And that was the best decision ever. The people at the valet parking were fighting over the chance to drive our speedster.
The Ford Mustang convertible that our friends had previously lent us wasn't bad either.
TL
R - Americans drive more, roads are unpaved and Toyota gives a 15 year warranty.Translated by Google
Volker Eichener
Professor of Political Science at Düsseldorf University18 June
Why do German cars perform so poorly in terms of reliability in the USA, while the opposite is the case here in Germany?
I have been in the USA regularly since 1984, living with American friends there and have driven several tens of thousands of miles through North America. I have driven several dozen cars from a variety of manufacturers, including Renault, Chrysler, Ford, Lincoln, General Motors, Kia, Genesis (Hyundai), Toyota, VW. The Rabbit that I once drove for a week in Atlanta was the very worst. Here is my clear answer:
Cars are put to completely different demands in North America than they are here. And German cars are not designed for this.
Firstly, annual mileage is much higher. What we drive in a year, Americans drive in a month (on average). Driving 300 km (one way) on a Sunday to go on a two-hour hike is normal. Our maintenance intervals are completely unrealistic by American standards. And if we think it's good if a car lasts 200,000 or 300,000 km, Americans just laugh at that.
Secondly, cars in the USA have to be much more robust. There are a lot of roads there that aren't paved. When we lived in Santa Fe, by the way, it was said that the richest people live in neighborhoods with the worst roads. That's really true. There is also more extreme weather there. The temperatures are more extreme, in summer as well as in winter. And Americans also like to drive into the wilderness, to hunt or camp. The delicate German cars with their sensitive electronics simply don't last.
Thirdly, German cars are considered "overengineered" in the USA. German cars have tons of electrical helpers, assistance systems and engine optimizations, all of which are super-sensitive and can break. Incidentally, I regularly experience that new German cars that I buy in Germany are not OK from the factory. I then have to go to the workshop several times until the problems are more or less eliminated. That would be completely unacceptable in the USA, where the car dealer is probably several hundred miles away.
Fourth, German cars made in America are terrible. Somehow they can't get the quality control right. And they ruin their reputation.
Yes, I can confirm that: German cars do pretty badly in North America when it comes to reliability. And that's because they're really bad.
The most reliable cars in the world are Asian cars, even if I don't like to say it. Toyota is the first. Why can Toyota afford to give a 15-year guarantee? No German manufacturer can do that, not even in Germany. The German engineers should be ashamed of themselves.
But they are encouraged to produce poor quality by German customers. German customers look like crazy at technical data (which no one in North America cares about), and if one car accelerates from 0 to 100 by 0.1 seconds faster than another, they give it preference. And of course the top speed has to be top-notch and the fuel consumption has to be top-notch too. How do you do that? Low emissions, high performance and low fuel consumption? - Through absolute optimization. And that inevitably comes at the expense of robustness. The Asians do it differently: mediocre engine performance, mediocre fuel consumption, but the things just don't break down.
I can't say anything about American cars in Germany. I hardly know any American cars that are sold in Germany. They are absolute exotics and not at all representative. And American brands don't have the best reputation in America either. When I recently booked a luxury rental car in Florida (due to a special offer), the employee recommended that we not take a Cadillac, as there were only two of us, but a Genesis - "my favorite car." And that was the best decision ever. The people at the valet parking were fighting over the chance to drive our speedster.
The Ford Mustang convertible that our friends had previously lent us wasn't bad either.
DangerDane2008
Autocross Champion
tl;dr
Nineeightyone
Autocross Champion
Nineeightyone
Autocross Champion
@cb1111 My takeaway is, while based in stereotype to a degree, German vehicles are engineered to a use case/environment, and Americans operate them out of the intended realm. Americans treat maintenance like a scam, pushing the boundaries of what the car will tolerate and then get upset when things stop working as intended. FAFO.
GolNat
Autocross Champion
Yeah this.
I feel driving as a whole is taken more seriously in other countries (especially Germany). It's harder to get a license and more costly to drive. You take care of your car. Instead of engineering around a maintenance item German manufactures will just make it routine and part of taking car of the car. Japan seems to take the opposite approach and design stuff that doesn't need to be maintained as meticulous.
riceburner
Autocross Champion
its because we dont have an autobahn here thats why the cars break.
and salt... unless they also salt in germany. idfk.
america has no cobblestone tiny ass roads though, europe is all shitty tight little roads so like yeah, more miles here, but on generally ok roads?
and salt... unless they also salt in germany. idfk.
america has no cobblestone tiny ass roads though, europe is all shitty tight little roads so like yeah, more miles here, but on generally ok roads?
riceburner
Autocross Champion
my bacon-ring is pierced so i think it would be dangerous for dane to try it
riceburner
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also fb listening to my typing again (hope i dont see baconring piercings on fb)
cb1111
Newbie
Yeah, but I'm still trying to find that Toyota with a 15 year warranty.