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Rebuilding a 2.0 TSI after timing failure *ON A BUDGET*

zrickety

The Fixer
*DISCLAIMER- Every engine failure is unique. You may find more or less damage than I've encountered. This is by no means a comprehensive guide, but rather documenting what I find, and fix. You may opt to do additional work beyond the scope of this rebuild.
At the time of this posting, a used engine is $2700-3800 from places like LKQ. So let that guide your decision making process.*
Link- https://www.lkqonline.com/2010-Volkswagen-Golf-Gti-Engine-Assembly/-hjK4FKcnnP

This is going to document the repair of a GTI that had the infamous timing chain tensioner fail.
It was running one hour and wouldn't start the next. All the intake valves are bent.
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You need to remove the intake, there are threads on this.
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The timing chain covers, crank pulley, timing chain. Again, there are threads that cover this.
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You'll need to detach the downpipe from the turbo, oil and coolant lines. There are also a few various lines around the head that will need to be unbolted or detached. Then you need your special 10mm 'polydrive' socket to get the head bolts. I bought mine on Amazon for about $9.
Now you can remove the head and check your pistons.
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It's hard to see in the picture, but the exhaust valves are fine. So that will be some savings too.
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Now I'm going to order parts and then I'll start removing the old intake valves and cleaning the head. More to come...
 
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Tony48

Go Kart Newbie
Following. Nice work tackling this job. Readily available information on timing system work for the 2.0 TSI engine has skyrocketed in the last 2 years since I replaced my timing chain/tensioner and wrote my Timing Chain Replacement Tips post. Glad to see others tacking tough jobs and documenting them to help others.

But for god's sake please clean up your engine bay! :ROFLMAO:
 

zrickety

The Fixer
LOL this car was leaking a little, obviously. If you're wondering, this is actually the 09 GTI I sold to a friend over 4 years ago. It has 178k.
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zrickety

The Fixer
We had talked about doing the tensioner a long time ago, he is just too busy and we never got to it.
Here is a great link to the workshop manual:
 

zrickety

The Fixer
Leaves? Not much I can do about them until this goes back together. We got a little rain when I was pulling the head too. No worries, they'll be gone at reassembly.
 

csumt76

Go Kart Champion
Leaves? Not much I can do about them until this goes back together. We got a little rain when I was pulling the head too. No worries, they'll be gone at reassembly.
Thought maybe it looked like some chunks on the left side, hard to tell tho.
 

zrickety

The Fixer
I'm searching for valve removal tools...holy crap they are expensive. Going to pull the cams tomorrow and see if I can MacGyver my way through them. I was able to save the timing cover without damaging it...that saved almost $200.
My parts list though ECS is about $720 right now, which includes TRW valves, ARP head studs, Febi chain, and all VW gaskets.
I researched Febi pretty hard when I did my 2010, I was happy with the purchase and about half price of the VW chain.
 

zrickety

The Fixer
FYI you can now get a OE timing cover through fcp euro for $90 shipped.
That's a great price, thanks. I got a new crankshaft seal for the cover, $6.58. I also found an ARES valve spring compressor that should do the job nicely. $49 from Amazon (Summit has it too). I pulled the cams off today, everything looks good. I'll have more disassembly pics later this week.
 

zrickety

The Fixer
Here is the parts list so far...including special tools I didn't already own, the cost of rebuild is about $780 plus new fluids.

ARES 70370 overhead valve spring compressor $49
Vim Tools V3452 Head Bolt Tool (10mm polydrive) $8.15
036109675 valve stem seals x8 $15.60
06B103113C camshaft end cap $4.78
06D109601M intake valves x8 $84.72
06H103383AAKT head gasket set $100.72
06H115418AA cover plug $3.16
06J133201BH intake manifold (this was already bad) $149.75
06K109158AD upper timing chain $66.95
06K109467K timing chain tensioner $68.99
06L103085B crankshaft seal (might be duplicate of head gasket set) $6.58
204-4302 ARP head stud kit $166.78 (stock bolts are $27)

The timing chain rails are all in good shape...I know people replace them but I didn't on the 2010 and these look just as good.
 
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qwop

New member
My gti had 12mm triple square headbolts. Interesting that some of them have the older polydrive.

Also last year I bought that head gasket set for $65...... somethings wrong with ECS... Now I just get parts form online dealers or FCP

Glad your saving a lot of money on the timing cover though! I didn't know there was an Elring one available
 

BudgetPhoenix

Go Kart Champion
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Edit- I see it, Elring timing cover. Awesome.
Dan, I found one on ebay for $60

New seller that ships from China...I'm not sure about this one.
I have one of the cheaper lower timing covers from china, works fine for a couple years now no leaks with permatex black rtv.
 

zrickety

The Fixer
Thanks guys. I could probably have shopped around some more, but ECS has treated me right in the past. I also have their skid plate coming, it was a life saver on the 2010 and this car is missing the belly pan.
 

Dans GTI1

Ready to race!
Edit- I see it, Elring timing cover. Awesome.
Dan, I found one on ebay for $60

New seller that ships from China...I'm not sure about this one.
Yeah, i'd pass on the China cover its not a legitimate part. My view is, is it worth saving $30 to potentially tear down the engine again due to a timing cover leak. I also highly reccomend purchasing new bolts for the timing cover as they are stretch bolts and they will snap (ask me how i know.....)

For anyone viewing the thread, the link to the $90 OE timing cover - > https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/audi-vw-timing-cover-elring-06h109210ag

Also, i'd recommend not using permatex ultra black for sealing the timing cover. Use one of those grey sealents, Permatex sells "the right stuff one minute sealer" which is what i used for my oil pan, but for the timing cover i went to my local Mercedes dealership and bought their grey sealant they use there (pretty sure its the same thing as the permatex right stuff). The grey sealant bonds much quicker/harder and dries faster.
 

Short Bus

Drag Race Newbie
Great thread, I’m looking forward to seeing this as it progresses. Recently I’ve felt the urge to rebuild an engine for no apparent reason. The engine in my car is healthy and strong, so I’ve thought about finding a spare with bent valves to tear down and put back together just for the experience of doing so.
 

Tony48

Go Kart Newbie
Also, i'd recommend not using permatex ultra black for sealing the timing cover. Use one of those grey sealents, Permatex sells "the right stuff one minute sealer" which is what i used for my oil pan, but for the timing cover i went to my local Mercedes dealership and bought their grey sealant they use there (pretty sure its the same thing as the permatex right stuff). The grey sealant bonds much quicker/harder and dries faster.
Agreed, use the grey sealant. This is the stuff I used. It's what ECS includes in their "Ultimate Timing" kits . Comes with a good nozzle and winding tool too. Used it 2 years ago on my lower timing cover and it's still leak free.

I believe some people also have luck using the OEM Porsche Timing Sealant. I would feel confident using it.
 
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