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Review ** Golf R Intercooler + AWE 2.0TSI S3 intercooler hoses

TheCastle

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Here is my Golf R intercooler and AWE 2.0 TSI S3 intercooler hoses review (its long because I'm an engineer!)

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Golf R intercooler (1K0145803BP) has replaced the “S3” intercooler on the Audi S3 and TT-S. This appears to have a very similar core to the old S3 intercooler (1K0145803P) but with plastic end tanks. According to ECS tuning the Golf R intercooler had 4 more BARs than a stock GTI intercooler (32 vs 28 I counted) it is thicker than the stock intercooler by about 25% and has better flowing end tanks compared to the S3. I also noticed too that the ports seemed to have a larger inner diameter than either my stock or S3 intercooler. This supposed improvements over the S3 are why I went with the Golf R. I also noticed that the Gold R intercooler was significantly heavier than my stock intercooler. There is an older part out there the BE nobody seems to know what is different between the BE/BP. But there is a $75 price difference and VW rarely revises parts without attempting to improve them. So I went with the current part.

AWE Hose Kit: I know that you can cut your stock hoses to fit the Golf R intercooler. For me I wanted DD total reliability and felt that going with new hoses/clamps was the smart way to prevent blow outs… The kit was of good quality with top notch clamps included and some fairly vague instructions.

Installation:
I followed both the S3 DIY and APR’s intercooler install guides which made the job pretty easy Some quick things I found….

The AWE hoses were a PIA to slip on to the Golf R intercooler. Suggest some lube that will evaporate to help slip them on like W-40 (learned this after struggling). The hoses also seemed to be pretty close to the right length with the turbo side being slightly short, but not an issue. I also found that I couldn’t use one of the supplied clamps from AWE as it was too small to fit on any of the hose fittings so I ended up purchasing a new clamp.

On connector removal, the guides have you disconnecting the Cooling Fan plugs and the A/C condenser sensor. I found unplugging both of these to be unnecessary. Save yourself the time/effort and skip it. You’re not taking the radiators out, only the intercooler.

The whole install took me about 6 hours to complete myself powered by Pandora and with a lot of swearing at the hoses (took me about 45 minutes to get on damn-it) and swearing at the radiator fan connector which I never could get off….. If I had a trick to both of those I could have done the install in about 4 ½ hours, and this was my first time by myself and I hardly consider myself an advanced mechanic.

Do not forget to re-connect the hood quick release cable. It’s not a step in the re-assembly part of either the APR install guide and S3 Installation DIY….

Impressions:
I did some data logging of my car before and after the intercooler install. For Reference I have a 2011 GTI, APR Carbonio Stage 1 Intake, APR K04 Turbo V2.0 non-testpipe tune, APR Downpipe, R8 coil packs and NGK plugs.

My stock intercooler would typically run about 30-35F above ambient running around town. I also did 1 highway pull during 87F weather with A/C on and saw my intake temperatures rise from about 118F to 145F. I also noticed my car always felt “laggy” below about 2700rpm, as there seemed to be little/no boost below 2700rpm. Peak airflow was 271 g/s

Golf R intercooler+Awe Hoses. Now running around town I typically see intake temperatures running at 7-15F above ambient. I also did a 4th gear pull on a 83F day. Starting intake temps were 90F and at redline I saw 95F. Huge improvement. Did not measure peak airflow. I also noticed much quicker spooling. I feel significant torque now at 2200rpm and a very instant response to my throttle at any speed. It almost feels like my car lost 300lbs when moving at slow speeds. The engine also feels much smoother in its pull and more linear in power (improved low end response). I also saw my traction control light kick on a lot more. Definite improvement in throttle response.

Pro’s/Con’s I do notice some additional noise and more turbo whistle… Also GF on her short drive couldn't tell any difference other than the additional noise. So at best these changes are subtle, but if you’re in tune with your car you’ll notice them right away. My GF isn’t exactly an enthusiast driver and is perfectly happy with her stock Chevy Cruze 1.4T. I still want to tune it but she won’t let me near it hahaha (probably smart!)

Conclusion:
Definitely worth while….. Makes me want to try a TOP as well to see if I can make a K04 spool almost like a IHI! Noticeable improvement to a car guy, and significantly lower intake temps. ½ the cost of an APR intercooler and OEM reliability perfect if you need reliable daily transportation. APR is better but is it worth 2x the money….. Possibly but it depends on your car and desires… My big deciding factor is I plan to sell the car (someday) and don’t want to go through the trouble of removing the intercooler. I also wanted reliability so I stuck with OEM or APR as my too preferred solutions. Definitely a good buy for anyone rocking a tune and the stock intercooler.
 

NickMk61

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Nice write up! :p you mentioned you used a different clamp than the ones provided with AWE.. Could you tell me the exact one you bought, since I plan on doing the exact same thing, I don't want to run into any headaches :p Thanks! :thumbup:
 

APRMK6GTi

Drag Race Newbie
nice review, i've always wondered. i know its definitely no where near APR performance but I just need something a lil bigger without breaking the bank..where i live it stays mostly in the 50s-60s...seems like this fits the bill.
 

TheCastle

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Nice write up! :p you mentioned you used a different clamp than the ones provided with AWE.. Could you tell me the exact one you bought, since I plan on doing the exact same thing, I don't want to run into any headaches :p Thanks! :thumbup:

I ended up buying another 3.0" clamp to attach to the turbo side intercooler inlet. According to the kit instructions the KIT is supposed to come with 3 2.625" clamps and 1 3.0" clamp. However, it seems that I recieved 3 "large" clamps and 1 "small" clamp. I didn't measure them to see what sizes I actually got. I just noticed that 3 were the same size and 1 was smaller and the 1 smaller one was too small. I did not purchase the kit through AWE I got it from another vendor to save $$$.

I was able to purchase the intercooler + hoses for $420 shipped. GetVWparts has the intercooler for $253+shipping and I purchased the hose kit through 3 zero 3 motorsports.

nice review, i've always wondered. i know its definitely no where near APR performance but I just need something a lil bigger without breaking the bank..where i live it stays mostly in the 50s-60s...seems like this fits the bill.

I don't doubt that the APR intercooler is a better product judging from the happy reviews I've seen from Golf R owners. However, at about $1000 on sale with shipping, I'm really not convinced that it is worth 2x a golf R intercooler with a stock or K04 turbo. However, if I went Stage III/III+ without a doubt I would get the APR intercooler... As for other intercooler there are good products I'm sure between the Golf R and APR, but I'm not convinced that all of them will be reliable. I want my K04 to be a trouble free DD for 60-70K miles.
 

mattchow

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nice, I was going back and forth between the s3/golf r and spm intercooler a for a while before stepping up for the apr Intercooler.
 

NolaGTI

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Interesting. Wondering if it will hold up in the Texas heat, I'm in New Orleans so similar climate, just a little more humid. Right now I'm trying to weigh the cost/benefit since I'm only stage two and do not track my car. I'm also not sure I want to tackle the install so that adds to the cost even more.
 

TheCastle

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Since the specs of both intercoolers are really unknown it hard to say if the Golf R is inadequate. The two important specs I'd like to know are the pressure drop of both intercoolers and cooling efficiency (but you can't get that info). The lower the pressure drop on the system the less "boost" the turbo has to provide to keep the desired boost pressure in the intake manifold. The less initial boost pressure the more the turbo will operate in its efficiency range. Meaning the lower the pressure drop = less heat out of the turbo = lower intake temps.

So what I'm left with measuring to determine if the intercooler is good; is the intercooler approach temperature (intercooler outlet temp - ambient air temp). So if an intercooler is giving you a 20F approach temp at full throttle adding a bigger intercooler probably won't make any power difference due to lower IAT. However if you're seeing approach temps in 60F range you need a better intercooler. The reason that 20F is hard to beat is the closer the intake air is to ambient the less cooling the intercooler can provide (energy transfer drops off the less temp difference there is)

With the Golf R intercooler I've been logging it and at least in the 60-83 degree weather recently I've not under full throttle seen approach temperatures yet above about ~20F, which says to me the intercooler is sufficient.

To further help the system and lower pressure drop; I plan to add a top and possibly a carbonio stage II. Both of these should lower pressure drop and lower the amount of heat the turbo generates improving the efficiency of the whole system. Intakes make a big difference on turbo efficiency as well.
 

yoffer

Go Kart Newbie
Good review, i was also torn between the golf r and s3, glad someone was able to get logs of before and after. I think ill be going the golf r intercooler route.
 

TheCastle

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Some more logged data... With just the Golf R intercooler I've not seen a change in my peak flow rate's still hanging around 271g/s. But I have noticed less timing pull and I've done several back to back pulls on the freeway er I mean closed test track. I've seen intercooler temps at the start of a full 4th gear pull at 83 increase to 99. Then a second immediate pull the intercooler (4000-redline) started at 94->104F. All in 71 ambient temps. Still great performance. Once I coasted back down to legal speeds the intercooler was back at 83. I definitely notice more responsiveness at low RPMs from the car and less throttle lag. I'm quite happy with the upgrade. Summer will tell if I needed the APR if my approach temps hit about 40.
 

ruan9n

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I did some digging and found Golf R intercooler (1K0145803BP) to be the stock cooler on our GTI's over here in South Africa. Our cars are built and imported directly from Wolfsburg. VW most probably gave us better coolers because of our climate and height above sea level, also the best fuel we can buy over here is 95ron at the pumps. When upgrading to an s3 cooler our cars don't need hose upgrades as the oem hoses are the same as the s3 ones. 2 of my friends with revo stage 2 tuned mk6 gti's have upgraded to metal tank s3 coolers and scored -7 degrees celcius intake temps over the plastic end tank coolers.
 

ryanrich1

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I did some digging and found Golf R intercooler (1K0145803BP) to be the stock cooler on our GTI's over here in South Africa. Our cars are built and imported directly from Wolfsburg. VW most probably gave us better coolers because of our climate and height above sea level, also the best fuel we can buy over here is 95ron at the pumps. When upgrading to an s3 cooler our cars don't need hose upgrades as the oem hoses are the same as the s3 ones. 2 of my friends with revo stage 2 tuned mk6 gti's have upgraded to metal tank s3 coolers and scored -7 degrees celcius intake temps over the plastic end tank coolers.

This also means that the S3 intercooler with metal end tanks is better than the R cooler, because when I replaced my stock cooler with the S3 one my intake temps dropped between 7 and 10 degrees celsius.
 

eppy

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Did you have the Golf R hoses also or just the intercooler? Was wondering if the OEM R hoses would work, save the cost of the AWE hoses.
 

ryanrich1

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Did you have the Golf R hoses also or just the intercooler? Was wondering if the OEM R hoses would work, save the cost of the AWE hoses.

Apparently the stock hoses are the same yeah, which I wish I had known because I bought AWE hoses. Oh well.
 

TheCastle

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Good to know. Most used Golf R intercoolers I have seen for sale come with the hoses.
:thumbsup:

The reason I went with the AWE hoses is I was able to kit their hose kit more cheaply than the stock Golf R hose kit. You can use the stock GTI hoses but you will need to cut them as the Golf R intercooler dosen't use the locking coupler rings like the GTI intercooler.

The Golf R has supposedly the same core as the S3 but with improved flowing end tanks so it has a lower pressure drop. Which is why the S3 was supplanted in VW's lineup by the Golf R/TT-S 1K0145803BP part. Again though I difference of a few degree's difference IAT between intercoolers is nothing at crusing, its the approach temperature that tells the intercooler capability. A difference of IAT by a few degree's is affect by ambient temp, underhood temps, airflow, etc.

From everything I've read the R/TT-S intercooler is the better flowing/newer design. http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=167881&page=10
 
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