GOLFMK8
GOLFMK7
GOLFMK6
GOLFMKV
VW GTI MKVI Forum / VW Golf R Forum / VW Golf MKVI Forum / VW GTI Forum - Golfmk6.com



Go Back   VW GTI MKVI Forum / VW Golf R Forum / VW Golf MKVI Forum / VW GTI Forum - Golfmk6.com > Volkswagen GTI / Golf Topics > VW Golf R Forum


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 11-08-2018, 04:44 PM   #1
OEMPL+S
Autocross Newbie
 
OEMPL+S's Avatar
 
Drives: 11' A3 T Quattro ScubaBlue
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: GTA
Posts: 89
Looking for some answers!!

I've been chasing a rough ride issue for about a year and a half now.

Looking for some answers from the R guys with experience.

I have a 2011 A3 Quattro which is very similar to an R underneath.

I'm currently H&R 24/26 sways.
And eibach linear lowering springs.
Golf R struts and shocks.
Front LCA polybushings from ECS.

The ride is rough with front sway bar set to hard and set to soft!?!?!?????

Also had racingline R springs on before and they are highly recommended and have plenty of good reviews.

Same exact ride with both types of linear springs.

What is the issue ....

- My shocks are bad?

- My LCA bushings are dry likely so maybe that's causing the rough ride?

- The front sway bar is too much for these roads?

All's I know is I rode in stock 2012 A3 Quattro with the same springs but OEM S-line shocks and struts, WITH nothing else done to it, No swaysbars, no bushings, and the rude was flawless .... Felt awesome .... Not crashy at all !!!!!???!?!????

What is the issue on mine?

Thanks.


Sent from my XT1635-02 using Tapatalk
OEMPL+S is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2018, 04:55 PM   #2
sterkrazzy
Formula 5000 Champion
 
sterkrazzy's Avatar
 
Drives: mk6 gti
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: United States
Posts: 2,713
What kind of tires?
__________________
Mk6 CSG GTI 6sp | Stratified Tuned | Sachs SRE Stage 2 Clutch | DG SS | Raceseng Ashiko Heavy Shift Knob | Integrated Engineering CAI | CTS Turboback | GFB DV+ | Neuspeed RSe52's + Intercooler | Michelin PSS | 034 RSB + Upper Strut Mounts + Street Density Motor Mounts + Locking Collars | Eibach Pro-Street-S Coils | Energy Suspension Dogbone Insert | Fluidampr Pulley | Tyrolsport Stage 2 Hatch Brace | Stoptech Slotted Rotors
sterkrazzy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2018, 06:37 PM   #3
OEMPL+S
Autocross Newbie
 
OEMPL+S's Avatar
 
Drives: 11' A3 T Quattro ScubaBlue
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: GTA
Posts: 89
225 40 18 .... AS3+

Identical tires to what the other guy was running ....

Sent from my XT1635-02 using Tapatalk
OEMPL+S is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2018, 08:15 AM   #4
TimS
FIA World Rally Car Newbie
 
Drives: '12 Golf R
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Alexandria, VA
Posts: 429
I had a similar setup and similar problems, and it was the shocks. They weren't bad, they were just poorly matched to the springs. I know they advertise that those springs will work with OE shocks, but in my experience they just don't. I switched to Bilstein B8s and couldn't be happier with them.
TimS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2018, 08:30 AM   #5
OlderSlower
Passed Driver's Ed
 
Drives: 2013 VW Golf R
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Central Ohio
Posts: 5
Similar experience here; problem solved with Koni Sport shocks and struts. I agree that the stock shocks don't seem to work well for very long with stiffer springs.
__________________
Stage 2, AWE Downpipe, Forge Twintake, Diesel Geeks Short Shifter, Konis, Wagner Intercooler, HPFP, diverter valve, South Bend Stage 3 Clutch, BFI shift knob and an understated carbon fiber rear spoiler...
OlderSlower is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2018, 03:15 PM   #6
OEMPL+S
Autocross Newbie
 
OEMPL+S's Avatar
 
Drives: 11' A3 T Quattro ScubaBlue
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: GTA
Posts: 89
Thing is .... Riding in the identical car as mine .... The ride was like stock/fine .... Just it had OEM S-line shocks and OEM sways ....

So shocks or sways .... Dunno.

Sent from my XT1635-02 using Tapatalk
OEMPL+S is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2018, 09:37 AM   #7
Fast-R
Passed Driver's Ed
 
Drives: 2012 4 Door Golf R
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: GTA
Posts: 7
Sways don't impact the ride when driving down a straight road.. They only come into play when taking a turn.. This is why regardless of which setting you put it to, it rides the same..

It's your shocks and/or your choice of springs. Linear springs are like race springs and aren't very forgiving like a progressive rate spring is. .

The combo of a stock shock/strut and race spring is mismatched and will not be the best pairing. Even if a stock shock can do the task for a bit, it's only time before its starts to ride like chit..

Linear springs on the street will always be a bit rough, they are meant for track more than street.. Change to a progressive rate spring and your stock shock will act better but still not ideal.. Most times they are bouncy... Need the right shock/strut with the right spring to have a compliant ride..
__________________
12 Golf R
APR Stage 4 in-house build
Fast-R is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2018, 10:26 AM   #8
zrickety
Formula 2 Driver
 
zrickety's Avatar
 
Drives: 10 GTI CSG DSG K04 4DR 153k+
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Qanon.pub
Posts: 5,272
Your poly LCA bushings contribute to this, no doubt. I think they're totally worth it though. Have you had an alignment? Who did the suspension install? Bolts need to be torqued under suspension load, if they were in the air/too tight it could make the ride stiffer. Lastly, what tire pressures are you running?
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by rs999 View Post
He's a real straight shooter, no monkey business, and the wheel swap at the Kohl's parking lot was quick and easy.
Quote:
Originally Posted by GTI_likeurmom View Post
Well i did use a breaker bar to snug up that nut instead of a torque wrench.
Quote:
Originally Posted by GreasyGinzo View Post
my subframe has been out twice without replacing any bolts and I don't have subframe clunks and my world hasn't ended and my car hasn't blown up.
zrickety is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-13-2018, 05:43 PM   #9
OEMPL+S
Autocross Newbie
 
OEMPL+S's Avatar
 
Drives: 11' A3 T Quattro ScubaBlue
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: GTA
Posts: 89
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast-R View Post
Sways don't impact the ride when driving down a straight road.. They only come into play when taking a turn.. This is why regardless of which setting you put it to, it rides the same..

It's your shocks and/or your choice of springs. Linear springs are like race springs and aren't very forgiving like a progressive rate spring is. .

The combo of a stock shock/strut and race spring is mismatched and will not be the best pairing. Even if a stock shock can do the task for a bit, it's only time before its starts to ride like chit..

Linear springs on the street will always be a bit rough, they are meant for track more than street.. Change to a progressive rate spring and your stock shock will act better but still not ideal.. Most times they are bouncy... Need the right shock/strut with the right spring to have a compliant ride..


Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast-R View Post
Sways don't impact the ride when driving down a straight road.. They only come into play when taking a turn.. This is why regardless of which setting you put it to, it rides the same..

It's your shocks and/or your choice of springs. Linear springs are like race springs and aren't very forgiving like a progressive rate spring is. .

The combo of a stock shock/strut and race spring is mismatched and will not be the best pairing. Even if a stock shock can do the task for a bit, it's only time before its starts to ride like chit..

Linear springs on the street will always be a bit rough, they are meant for track more than street.. Change to a progressive rate spring and your stock shock will act better but still not ideal.. Most times they are bouncy... Need the right shock/strut with the right spring to have a compliant ride..
Ya sways don't seem to impact the rude much. Although most roads have slight undulations that are unequal side to side which can cause little bounce feelings etc ....

Well the linear springs are chose are very highly recommended and many people have had success with them compared to H&R or other progressive springs .... The ones I have are about 10ish percent stiffer .... And I drove in a car just like mine but it had stock everything except the lowering springs were the same as mine and it road perfect .... soooo ....

Progressive spring coils tend to rest on each other in the closer coils area and actually don't do much and I haven't heard a lot of compliments about them.

My springs are definitely not race springs ....

I think the problem is I chose R shocks/struts over OEM Audi items which cost over 50 dollars more per front shock.

DG springs are the most comfortable spring for the mk6 GTI and they are linear.

I should have got koni yellows.

Sent from my XT1635-02 using Tapatalk
OEMPL+S is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-13-2018, 05:47 PM   #10
OEMPL+S
Autocross Newbie
 
OEMPL+S's Avatar
 
Drives: 11' A3 T Quattro ScubaBlue
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: GTA
Posts: 89
Quote:
Originally Posted by zrickety View Post
Your poly LCA bushings contribute to this, no doubt. I think they're totally worth it though. Have you had an alignment? Who did the suspension install? Bolts need to be torqued under suspension load, if they were in the air/too tight it could make the ride stiffer. Lastly, what tire pressures are you running?
Maintenance is a problem with poly LCA though.

No alignment yet .... Handling is terrible .... But it doesn't absorb bumps properly at all.

Me, I did it .... To spec .... I've only done the springs.

LCA and sways and bushings were done at a professional shop .... As much as a shop can be professional.

I understand about bolts being torqued at ride height.

I believe my tire pressure PSI is 38 ish

Sent from my XT1635-02 using Tapatalk
OEMPL+S is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-16-2018, 01:06 PM   #11
bebersol
Rally Car Champion
 
bebersol's Avatar
 
Drives: '13 Carbon Gray 4dr Golf R
Join Date: May 2012
Location: North Texas
Posts: 340
Quote:
Originally Posted by OEMPL+S View Post
I've been chasing a rough ride issue for about a year and a half now.

Looking for some answers from the R guys with experience.

I have a 2011 A3 Quattro which is very similar to an R underneath.

I'm currently H&R 24/26 sways.
And eibach linear lowering springs.
Golf R struts and shocks.
Front LCA polybushings from ECS.

The ride is rough with front sway bar set to hard and set to soft!?!?!?????

Also had racingline R springs on before and they are highly recommended and have plenty of good reviews.

Same exact ride with both types of linear springs.

What is the issue ....

- My shocks are bad?

- My LCA bushings are dry likely so maybe that's causing the rough ride?

- The front sway bar is too much for these roads?

All's I know is I rode in stock 2012 A3 Quattro with the same springs but OEM S-line shocks and struts, WITH nothing else done to it, No swaysbars, no bushings, and the rude was flawless .... Felt awesome .... Not crashy at all !!!!!???!?!????

What is the issue on mine?

Thanks.


Sent from my XT1635-02 using Tapatalk
I read a quote from a Citroen engineer years ago that the formula for best "all around" handling/ride is soft springs, medium dampers and hard sway bars. I've kinda lived by these rules since then and I'm generally happy. If you have adjustable dampers in this set up you can harden them up for track day.
__________________
Bunch O'Stuff :-)
bebersol is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-17-2018, 06:10 PM   #12
OEMPL+S
Autocross Newbie
 
OEMPL+S's Avatar
 
Drives: 11' A3 T Quattro ScubaBlue
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: GTA
Posts: 89
Quote:
Originally Posted by bebersol View Post
I read a quote from a Citroen engineer years ago that the formula for best "all around" handling/ride is soft springs, medium dampers and hard sway bars. I've kinda lived by these rules since then and I'm generally happy. If you have adjustable dampers in this set up you can harden them up for track day.
Exactly! .... This makes sense ....

Now if only I could find lowering springs that are OEM rate.

I loved how my ride was with all the other suspension mods including sway bars, with the stock struts and springs.
It rode and handling really really nice.

Sent from my XT1635-02 using Tapatalk
OEMPL+S is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:04 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.