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Deckard

New member
I've had my GTI for a little over a month now. I have, for years now, been a truck driver. I was quite content with my Toyota Tacoma for many years but within the last year or two, I felt it was time for something new. If you keep any car long enough, all the little things you wish were better about it eventually overwhelm everything you love. That's what happened with me.

Now I have been interested in VW for many years. Specifically the TDI. In the mid nineties I nearly bought a Golf TDI but issues with both the quality of the cars and the service departments at the dealers were simply too many and too negative for me to make the leap from a Toyota. Jump to 2010. VW once again decides to offer a Golf TDI in America. Also, VW quality has improved, and the situation with the dealer service departments...well that still sucks, but I found an excellent mechanic to get me around that. As these cars cost upwards of $25000, I felt it essential that I get the options I wanted, and not whatever was on the lot. Finding a Golf TDI with the options I desired, at least in late 2009 proved impossible. The cars were here, but they were few and far between, and not one of them came close to what I wanted. They were like fairy dust. Magical, but no where to be found. In all honesty, I had never considered a GTI.

I had gone through the trouble to test drive a Mini Clubman Cooper S as a plan B, but somehow, in my twisted logic, the GTI was never a consideration. Silly me. When it finally dawned on me that the GTI and the TDI were so similar, I showed up at a VW dealer and took one for a test drive. I guess that's what it took for me to see the value in the GTI. Giving up on diesel allowed me to get what is easily the coolest car I've ever owned.

There are some things about the GTI that I would want prospective buyers to be aware of. First and foremost is the mileage. I'm an average driver and there's just no way this car is ever going to get 30mpg. I think I would have to enslave myself to the little shift guide in the dash to get it and there's just no way I'm going to put the car in sixth gear in a 45mph zone. It's just too much fun to drive. Hell, I sprung for a better stereo and most of the time I turn it off to listen to the exhaust. Never saw that one coming. Also, the fuel gauge...I don't like it. I gives one the perception that you are going through a tank of gas quickly.

The steering wheel is unfortunately NOT detachable. So you cannot hold on to it at night as you sleep. I feel VW could have done better here.

There's just a kind of dignity to this car. It's like a black t shirt that goes with anything. I can take it to the nicest restaurant and go straight to roller derby and it fits in. I can take this car anywhere.

Not more than a week ago we had six inches of snow here in North Carolina and though I missed my old 4x4 a little, the GTI did a great job of keeping me on the road. Through the worst of the storm, the GTI got me to work on time day after day, regardless of whether the roads were plowed or not. If you live around more frequent snow falls and there's going to be a GTI in your life, I would get a wooden spoon out of the kitchen to clear the snow/ice from the inside of the wheels on days like this. It didn't take much of a buildup of snow to throw the wheels out of balance and you can really feel it around 35mph on the GTI(detroit wheels).

My biggest problem with this car is an issue with the stereo. I use an iPod, like most and no matter what kind of iPod you use, the interface on the stereo is glacially slow when navigating the contents of an iPod. In fact it's UNSAFE to use when driving in my opinion. Most of the time I just shuffle the library and skip when the song isn't working. Even worse is the memory card slot. In order for music on a card to work, it's got to be in MP3 format and it has to be placed on the card with a file structure intact. That's too much work for me. Just what about a GTI implies work to you? There's no way I'm doing this. In the case of the stereo at least, VW's marketing far exceeds their engineering.

I opted for a two door, MT, with xenon lights, a sunroof and the Dynaudio stereo. The DSG was another option that I was interested in, but paying upwards of $300 every 40000 miles to change the transmission fluid put me off. Once I drove a MT GTI I didn't miss the DSG at all. In fact the car I tested is sitting in my driveway right now. I did try a DSG, and it seemed cool, but I just didn't have enough time with it to form a better opinion. I've had MT's for so long that being without one is a profoundly different driving experience. I pay more attention to the road with a MT. But that's just me.

If you really love music, the Dynaudio is worth it. My tastes are all over the map, from rock to jazz to reggae, etc... The Dynaudio system in the GTI puts the soundstage of whatever your listening to on the dashboard. Once I got used to it, which wasn't hard, I grew to love it. Aside from the soundstage, the stereo has great clarity and that takes no getting used to at all, I loved it straight off. I'm into Hi-Fi and Dynaudio is a coveted name. Some of their speakers cost thousands of dollars. Given the cost of their system in the GTI, this is a tremendous value. Mind you, the Dynaudio is about imaging and clarity, not volume. I love it.

The Xenon lights are a qualified good. Now I have no idea what the halogens are like in the GTI, but my Xenons have a way of cutting through the darkness that really appeals to me. Everything in the xenon's field of view is VERY visible. Maybe it's just going from a tall 4x4 to a GTI, but one thing I don't like about the xenon's is the way they just seem to cut off about 50 yards closer than I'd like. At speed, it just seems like I have less time to react to potholes or road debris. The lights do turn with the car, which is something I never really noticed until it snowed and I started to fishtail a little. The fog lights are kind of a running joke with me. They look just great on the car, but using them....it's like they're pointed to the sides instead of forward. If they weren't there, I wouldn't miss them.

I've only used my sunroof a couple of times. This is the first car of mine that's actually had one. Maybe I'll appreciate it more once spring comes. It's easy to operate, and with all the bad weather here, I've had no issues with leaks, not even from the high pressure washers at the car wash.

About the only thing I think I'll change on this car is the wheels. For reasons I won't go into, my GTI has 18 inch Detroit wheels. They look cool as hell but you pay for that on the road with lots of road noise and a rougher ride. At least that's how I see it. When these tires wear out, I'll be going to the less conspicuous 17 inch wheels.

So that's pretty much it. I'm goin' out for a ride.
 

jgs5607

Ready to race!
Good write up, your observations pretty much mirror mine. A few comments:

I am averaging 27 MPG in mixed driving which isn't too shabby for how the car runs, I will be interested to see what it will do on a long trip that is all highway.

Everything on the touch screen is slow as far as I am concerned (they need to steal the processor from some touchscreen phones:)) I use the media card and it plays MP3 and WMA files; I really don't want a loose player hanging from a cord. I have used the stereo bluetooth to play files from my phone just to try it, but the card is a cleaner solution.

I think our cars are clones as far as equipment; the 18's are a little harsh, but they do not bother me enough to change wheels.

Enjoy the car, I am at about 2 1/2 months now and having fun with it.
 

foobert

Passed Driver's Ed
Thanks for the writeup, it's refreshing to read some real-world observations from a new owner. As a prospective buyer who's considered a lot of vehicles, all opinions are appreciated. That said, if the dealer I'm working with can locate a car w/the options I want, I've pretty much decided I'm buying it - the GTI just seems like the right fit for me at this time. He's got one on the lot now that's perfect, except no xenons, and was frank an honest enough to inform me that his shop charges $2200 for them as a dealer-installed item vs. $700 as a factory option, so he'll search and see what he can find.

btw I'm going for United Gray 4dr manual, cloth seats, Topas 18's, xenons, and that's about it...
 

Deckard

New member
There's a million little things that I really enjoy about this car. I mean, I think about all the cars I've spent any length of time in over the years, and there's always these little thoughts about things they could have done better. Ergonomics, buttons, controls, etc... This is the first car I've had that seems....right. This is the first car I've ever had that was actually comfortable to drive with both hands on the wheel. Everything you can reach out and touch in the car feels like quality.

I didn't touch much on it in my original posting, but the buying process for this car was actually long, it took months to arrive at a purchase. I tested the Mini, the Mazda 3, a Jetta TDI and a Honda Fit. They all had their positive points, but in the end, the GTI offers a level of refinement that tops them all. The GTI makes great power, but the car doesn't beg you to use it. Unlike the Clubman or the Mazda 3, this is a car that I can live with.

With regards to the stereo, after flailing around with a 32gb memory card(the GTI will recognize that much if the card is SDHC), I gave up and bought a refurbished iPod Classic 160gb. I've got over 13000 songs on it and it lives quite happily hidden away in the armrest. My iPhone also works fine, both wired(MDI), and via bluetooth streaming, but the way things have played out, I just keep it in my pocket. The car has no problem connecting to it, and I get all the benefits of hands free.

I haven't lost my interest in Diesel, and wouldn't it be great if in a few years VW offered the GTD here?
 
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bigshoulders

Ready to race!
Nice write-up. I'm in NC as well... and my GTI is one-week into the 90-day waiting period, which is to say it's but a figment of my imagination. My girlfriend lives in Chapel Hill and she's already spotted several GTIs "in the wild" as I like to say. I'm sure yours might have been one of them.

Where did you end up purchasing your vehicle? It was between Frema VW in Goldsboro and Leith VW in Cary for me. I ended up going w/ Leith b/c they beat Frema by $100 and their admin fees were lower.

My car-buying process was very methodical as well. I test drove Toyota Prius, Honda Civic, Honda Accord, Mini Clubman, Jetta TDI and GTI. The fun factor of the GTI was really really high, and as someone that has a long commute, I wanted a car that was pleasurable to drive. It seems like I've been driving a practical car all my life. It was time to have a mid-thirties crisis, and the GTI seems a perfect fit.

Cheers,
Kevin
 

dowright82

WRX Convert
GREAT REVIEW!!!

I will say that I'm @ 3600 mi and when i'm not tracking the car - I'm averaging about 26-28 depending on driving conditions . . .

These cars make TONS of torque @ 1800 RPMS which is why its fine to be in 6th gear at 45mph . . . . Seems weird at first, but as you get to know the car you'll be rowing through the gears pretty quickly and maintaining LOW RPMS.

I generally go from 1st - 2nd - 4th - 6th.

I will tell you this: if you want to transform your car into an even more agile, better gas mileage while adding the equivalent of 20hp, put some affordable 17" lightweight wheels on it and watch your smile get EVEN BIGGER.

I've owned 3 subarus all upwards of 300 hp at the wheels and I plan on modding my MKVI (but not touching the perfect suspension) with stage 2 upgrades from APR - but when I put my wheels on (TRMOTORSPORTS MT-1) and went from 29lb each 18" Detroits (came on my car) to the 17lb each MT-1 the car does EVERYTHING better

braking
accellerating
handling response
smoother ride over bumps

do it. You'll love it

now for pics



 

waffleman

Ready to race!
I can tell you this - I easily can get 30 MPG driving to work - a 30 mile ride. This driving on state roads where I am able to go 65-70 MPH 80% of the time and rest driving in little towns, and whenever I get a red light, flooring it to 70 for the fun of it.
 

Deckard

New member
I bought my GTI from southern states in Raleigh. To make a long story short, this car was as close as I could get to what I wanted without waiting. The only compromise was giving up 17" wheels and DSG. In many ways this car is better than what I was seeking. VW is a hard mistress when you're seeking a car that isn't on the lot. It's painfully obvious that there's a deep abyss between VW corporate and any given dealer.
 

Deckard

New member
I should mention also that the mechanic I was fortunate enough to find is "Absolute Automotive" in Durham. Finding a shop like this so close to my home really put me at ease when it finally came time to purchase.

Dowright, I love your wheels. My GTI is white as well. It hasn't been clean for more than a nanosecond lately.

Waffleman, I did a trip from Durham to Wilmington a few weeks ago, it was a long enough drive that I finally turned on the cruise control. Boy that took some discipline on my part. I mean I just flat out didn't want to do it. The GTI seems so happy going 80@3000rpm. I told myself it was to keep from getting a ticket. Lol. I think the best I got was 28mpg. Somehow, in the twisted logic of my mind I thought I was going to get great mileage and go lightspeed as well. I guess we all have those little lies we tell ourselves to get what we want. Well I sure got what I wanted... I really enjoy this car.

Now if only VW could get the stereo to play nice with iPods. Are the rest of you guys experiencing those ugly breaks in continuity between songs?
 
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