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Old 02-27-2013, 04:05 AM   #57
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This sequestration bullshit is pissing me off royally. These goons in the senate havent passed a fucking budget in like 5 years and want to make sequestration sound like its some huge cataclysmic event thats going to cause the nation to spiral out of control due to lack of government services.

There isnt a single fucking budget cut anywhere. Its a 40B cut to the *projected rate of growth in spending* over something stupid like the next 10 years. Its less than 2% of the federal budget IN SPENDING GROWTH per year.

You could send odumber on one less vacation per year and cover this shit. "We just need the wealthiest of you to live with just a little less"....ZOMG!?! I HAVE TO SPEND ~1.3% LESS THAN I WANTED TOO. NEXT YEAR AAAAAAGGGGGHHHJ THROW GRANNY OVER THE HILL PEOPLE ARE GONNA DIE!!
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Old 02-27-2013, 08:28 AM   #61
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The issue with sequestration isn't the cuts, it is that the cuts are across the board and filter down to EVERY job function. It is as granular as they have to spend 9% less on toilet paper for the rest of the year.

Cuts of this magnitude are not an issue, its the implementation of them.

The other side of this issue is that Boehner has lost total control of his caucus. He is putting it on the Senate because he can't get anything done, even though it is his responsibility. The White House can suggest budgets all day, the Senate can moderate them all day, but Boehner can't even bring 17 freaking votes to the table so there is no reason to do anything until he can.

The right has created a mess for themselves here and they are too polarized and inexperienced at the local level to figure out the way out (which is very simple).

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Boehner is a jackass, for sure. But legally it is the responsibility and a requirement of the senate to draft the budgets and they arent even drafting them. They are trying to do more extensions or modifications to the existing budget which has us spending 50%+ more than we take in. Its economically unsustainable.

The things that are being proposed and given to Boehner shouldnt be approved. Im glad there is opposition to it. Sequestration is preferrable to the nonesense liberal dems/repubs want, which is more taxes more spending and more debt.

Secondly, again, there are no budget cuts. Its a cut in the projected rated of spending growth.
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Boehner is a jackass, for sure. But legally it is the responsibility and a requirement of the senate to draft the budgets.
Its actually the house and senate budget committees responsibility 50/50. I am not saying that they are not to blame, I am saying that Boehner needs to take the responsibility to get 17 votes together.

More taxes are a must, period. My effective tax rate is sickeningly low. Spending cuts are a must too, frankly bigger cuts than the sequester, but they must be done appropriately rather than across the board.
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That is absurd. You cannot raise enough tax to cover the government expenditures. You could tax rich people into oblivion and not balance your budget and cover the debt. Show me the effective tax rate that is going to work....the answer is spending under control and doing away with the progressive tax code. Im not willing to support paying anything more in taxation until we see responsibility with what is being paid already.

yes both committees draft budgets, but the senate hasnt done it, and anything they have concocted isnt realistic. If boehner gets his way, then it will be all spending and taxing and no cuts.

We are not a low tax society. We are a high tax society and we spend too much.
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That is absurd. You cannot raise enough tax to cover the government expenditures. You could tax rich people into oblivion and not balance your budget and cover the debt. Show me the effective tax rate that is going to work..
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Just as you say that you can't tax enough to fix the issue (which is true) you also can't cut enough to fix the issue.

Cuts and increases work hand in hand to a point where you can decrease taxes in the future. Its not a hard path forward, it is just politically unpopular.
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Federal spending needs to be reduced by nearly, if not, 50% and a tax code that makes sense implemented.
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Just as you say that you can't tax enough to fix the issue (which is true) you also can't cut enough to fix the issue.

Cuts and increases work hand in hand to a point where you can decrease taxes in the future. Its not a hard path forward, it is just politically unpopular.
I didnt miss it, but you absolutely can cut your way to where we need to be.
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My first instinct is to question the 50% number, but its not one I totally disagree with, so the real question is this.

HOW?
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Its not a hard path forward, it is just politically unpopular.
In that, we absolutely agree.
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My first instinct is to question the 50% number, but its not one I totally disagree with, so the real question is this.

HOW?
Start off by zeroing recurring federal stimulus spending thats been added to the baseline. Reform the policies that the DoD work under for contract procurement and material purchasing. Slash social welfare spending to the bone. Cut out all the high society living politicians get on our dime.

Done.

Unfortunately that is nearly impossible because the liberals have the 'wheres my free shit' crowd wound so tight no politician that ever has the courage to do that will see the lights of a political office space.
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