i agree. thats why i have learned how to work around it with my competitors DSG tune. when my cross street stoplight turns from orange to red, i let my foot off the brake. that way, in the 1 second my light turns green, the DSG hesitation is complete and my foot simply launches the car immediately. Takes careful timing to not start rolling too early. additionally at stop signs, i first release the brake, then wait 1/2 a second to hit the gas. makes for an immediate take-off.
I've learned to do this as well. Any time I'm going to be accelerating from a stop, I let off of the brake and wait a second or so before using the accelerator. I anticipate lights just like you said. It's still super annoying!
Auto hold works fine for me. I don't really notice a lag. Push the gas pedal and go.
That's not quite the delay he was referring to. The problematic delay is the rolling stop delay. If you roll up to a stop and slow to 2 or 3 mph (or even faster if you're coming from an onramp and let the DSG downshift itself at 1000 RPM) but not a complete stop, the transmission ends up in neutral and hesitates, for what feels like forever, before selecting either 1st or 2nd and taking off again. I've had this happen in traffic where the delay was borderline unsafe.
^^This. Once fully stopped, taking off really isn't much an issue for me. I know the lag you guys are referring to, and yes, it's quite easily overcome by keeping an eye on the lights, or simply easing onto the throttle more smoothly, and releasing the brake a bit early.
That rolling stop issue doe...:mad0259:
I know exactly what you're talking about. There's really two distinct yet related "issues" in regards to throttle delay. One is when starting from a stop, and the other is when you get on the throttle during a rolling stop. Both are annoying, and one is dangerous (like you mentioned).
I almost always drive in M mode, and I still encounter the delay you're speaking of periodically, even when I purposefully shift into first or second to try and "prepare" the car for acceleration.
That's the biggest problem ATM though. There really is no way to "prepare" the trans for acceleration when you're in that situation, once the car decides it should be in neutral, there's no telling it differently...
I don't get the one from a rolling stop... Maybe never noticed it.
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Duuude. If you haven't gotten it yet, you will definitely "notice" it when you do.
I know this feeling, I'm 6mt. When I'm in first, coasting somewhat (partial throttle just enough to maintain speed) I have to hit the gas in anticipation of moving. Sometimes when my window to move closes (I'm in a parking lot and someone walks out in front of me), it can get dangerous as the car will suddenly pick up speed when I should be on the brake already.
It feels like the ECU is trying to ease into the torque to help protect the driveline (whether DSG or 6mt). Though, that "ease into" could be anything but steady. :iono:
I hear mounts can help this.
This I would blame partially on turbo lag, but more on drive-by-wire.
You guys should stop doing rolling stops. I have so many friends who got tickets for that reason. As a bonus you'll get faster acceleration too
As mentioned, we're not talking specifically about roll-throughs at stop signs. Myself, I run into this issue most when a red light turns green at the very last second on approach, or when I want to make a left through traffic, or a right-on-red into traffic...
What I'm asking for is this: when slowing down and the transmission is auto-downshifting in M mode, keep at least one gear partially engaged with the clutches all the time, until I reach zero speed. The clutch pressure could be very low, and there could be plenty of slip to allow the engine RPMs to stay around 1200 RPM or so even as the car slows down. This way, when I press the gas again in the rolling stop, the clutch pressure can increase quickly and in concert with the ECU opening the throttle plate.
^^This.
Yeah, you shouldn't have any lag except from dead stops. Or if you downshift to 1st while crawling. I just leave it in 2nd and it takes off.
The car will only stay in second for so long though. It's after it decides 2nd is too high, and maybe 1st is too low, that the adventures begin...
Hah, to be completely honest this "lag" has caused me to come to complete stops at stop signs almost 100% of the time. Most of the time this issue presents itself for me when I'm slowing down to make a left-hand turn across traffic. I've had instances where I've almost come to a stop and there's a sudden break in on-coming traffic. I then push down a bit on the throttle to make the turn, and the car just sits there with the clutch disengaged. By the time the DSG catches up I'm in danger of getting hit by oncoming traffic.
Been there, done that...
I haven't noticed much of a difference with the tune to be honest. I can notice the pedal dictating power more which is nice. In S mode, it is MUCH more responsive. I noticed that kickdown has been completely removed. When I floor it in S, it does the same thing as hitting the kickdown. In d, its just one gear down.
Manual mode moves with purpose. I think the TCU now detects when I'm driving more aggressively and adjusts.
All of these things are subtle. I wonder what happens if I switch to stock map... Because the cruise control stalk isn't connected to the TCU... Just the ecu.
Disclaimer, I have only had DSG for a month.
To you and any others that have had APR's DSG tune for a while, did you have them turn off the automatic downshift in M when programming?
I assume it still gears down eventually to avoid a stall, but how low does it let the rpm's drop?
