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Old 07-17-2013, 06:09 PM   #15
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I mean no disrespect to Golf R owners... BUTTTTTTTTTTTTT ....

It was an issue for those FSI motors from 2006-2008. I know THIS.. I had a 2007 GTI and yes.. I replaced the cam follower once at 30k... and it was in MUCH worse shape than that in the pic. I was stock.

No owner should have to crack open a small hole in their motor every 25k to check the shape of a camshaft follower prior to warranty end.... It ain't like checkin your dipstick for oil levels.

There is a reason VW did away with this design in 2009. (especially in the USA)

No offense to you all who have cam followers in your motor... cos I loved the FSI motor in my 2007. It had more high end rpm push than the TSI in my 2012, and that made the car more exhilarating. It is also a very robust motor.

The reason noone has an "issue" with it in the R's is becuase of all us MK5'ers who came before you all and were made aware of this issue via all those blown motors... Why should my wife, my 75 yr old dad, or myself have to change an internal part to keep a vw FSI running smooth ??? Why isn't it a VW maintenance item listed in the owners manual?????? Why isn't it part of VW's carefree maintenance program at 30k miles???

Otherwise... I like the R. I'd have one in my garage right now if it came with a modern motor that didn't need me checking an internally lubricated part every 25k.

here's some reading:

http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73095

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...in-thanks-Audi!

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...ot-recall-quot

http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70222


Here's mine after 20k. Minimal wear.
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Old 07-17-2013, 06:20 PM   #16
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That had nothing to do with it. VW didn't want the R's grenading due to lateral G's...
ya..can you even achieve max G's with your R???

.they stuck an FSI motor in there and just for kicks, gave ya undefeatable traction/ stab control so you can be slower around the cones at an autocross/ track than a new Accord.

no modern VW gets near its lateral potential cos of their track-inhibiting /intrusive stab/ TC electronics.

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Old 07-17-2013, 07:31 PM   #17
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You act like I didn't drive a mk5 or something...and what rock have you been living under? traction control has been defeated many moons ago.
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Old 07-17-2013, 08:02 PM   #18
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.they stuck an FSI motor in there and just for kicks, gave ya undefeatable traction/ stab control so you can be slower around the cones at an autocross/ track than a new Accord
Yea that does suck, wait.....


WHAT?!?
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Old 07-17-2013, 08:15 PM   #19
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How long did you run the HPFP for? That cam follow looks like you could do another 20k not sure though.
Absolutely not. The black DLC coating is gone and friction and wear will go way up, and the cam lobe is going to get the worst of it. The cam follower is being replaced just in time.

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That had nothing to do with it. VW didn't want the R's grenading due to lateral G's...
The only reason why they used the FSI engine in the R is because it was K04-ready.
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Old 07-17-2013, 09:56 PM   #20
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You act like I didn't drive a mk5 or something...and what rock have you been living under? traction control has been defeated many moons ago.
if the 2013 R's have fully defeatable TC/ Stab Control... then I am wrong. Last time I read up on 2012 R's, all the mags were whining about undefeatable TC/Stab
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Old 07-17-2013, 10:01 PM   #21
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Yea that does suck, wait.....


WHAT?!?
not being a dick or anything, cos I do so want to love the R, but I understood that the R cannot achieve its full potential around a track cos of undefeatable Stability control...so a poster's point about EA888's implosion cos of super high lateral g's would be mute.... stick an EA888 motor in the R and keep the Stab control... no implosion of motor due to super high lateral G's cos the computer would intervene

I'm going off the following:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4uDzeDP1eo
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Old 07-17-2013, 10:07 PM   #22
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Vagcom can defeat all electrical nannies ensuring true R fun.
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Old 07-17-2013, 10:18 PM   #23
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oh I see. So stock it still has SC/ TC?

The FSI was and still is a very robust engine.

The reason the Cam follower wears so much is due mostly "because it cannot run in lean burn mode (US NOx regs), sooo... there is additional fuel in the oil. The high levels of sulfur/crap fuel in our US fuel damage the viscosity of the oil at a much higher rate, causing premature wear of the cam follower due to the oil losing its viscosity much faster then it would in Europe... where this FSI engine never had the cam follower issues.

Cam follower failure is lubrication related, and cos the FSI was never allowed to run in "lean burn/ stratified" mode (like it does in Europe)... it destroys oil very very quickly, and as a result... destroys the black dlc coating on the follower within 15-20k miles.

I did my research years ago.

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Old 07-17-2013, 10:26 PM   #24
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if the 2013 R's have fully defeatable TC/ Stab Control... then I am wrong. Last time I read up on 2012 R's, all the mags were whining about undefeatable TC/Stab
Its defeated in my 2012. The car mags you read know much less about these cars than the VW tuning community. The R community found the defeat and the solution was later discovered to apply to 2012/13 GTI's.
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Old 07-21-2013, 06:28 PM   #25
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not being a dick or anything, cos I do so want to love the R, but I understood that the R cannot achieve its full potential around a track cos of undefeatable Stability control...so a poster's point about EA888's implosion cos of super high lateral g's would be mute....
Three things:
1. I was really kinda /joking/ about the high lateral G's with the EA888...

2. Not to be too big of a grammar nazi, but for the love of God man. It's MOOT point. Not "mute" point

3. The Golf R's electrical nannies can be fully disabled
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Three things:
1. I was really kinda /joking/ about the high lateral G's with the EA888...

2. Not to be too big of a grammar nazi, but for the love of God man. It's MOOT point. Not "mute" point

3. The Golf R's electrical nannies can be fully disabled

on #2: I didn't realize. Thx for the correction.
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Just a piece of info for all of you do some more research the golf r has a redesigned cam follower with a ball bearing roller on the end to prevent this issue (because we all rose hell about it)
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Just a piece of info for all of you do some more research the golf r has a redesigned cam follower with a ball bearing roller on the end to prevent this issue (because we all rose hell about it)
links? where you get this info? Interesting....
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