HawkPilot6060
Pile It
u guys are so damn funny!
Sorry guys, but I don't understand why someone would like to switch from GTI MKVI to "R" unless he/she only wants to brag about driving the "R" model. :iono:
GTI popularity came from its excellent value comparing to other models in its class (WRX, Mazda Speed3 ...).
Jacking up the price for 10 grand puts Golf "R" in different price range where there some serious competitors like bmw 335i and Audi S4, which are much better cars in my opinion (I owned 335i before going for GTI). The only reason I decided to scale down to GTI is that I was able to get close to 335i performance and save 15 grands. If GTI was only 5 grand cheaper, I would keep my 335i for sure as it's in a higher class, performance and brand wise.
Another thing, the AWD will give you better grip, but do you really need that in regular, city driving, for which GTI was designed for? GTI is not designed for a drag racing no matter how much you tune it. For the amount of money you spend to bring your GTI to APR Stage 3, you could have bought a 335i who will have same performances, if not better as stock. So if you need AWD to have better launch on a track, you are wasting your money.
On the other hand, after driving FWD Passat for 10 year in Canadian winters with tons of snow and ice, I can tell you that you don't need anything more the FWD and a good set of tires if you are worried about safety. I think that AWD is an overkill even for Canadian winters. It's more about perception then anything. And if you are really really considered about your safety, you can get the new BMW X3 with 300hp and 300Tq that will be in same price range as Golf "R" and still very fun to drive. Nothing beats bmw handling
Anyway ...
Here is a detailed comparison between GTI and R by a gentleman from Australia who seems to know what he is talking about. Note that he was driving a stock GTI. I am sure he would be even less impressed with "R" if he compared it with GTI APR ST1, which you can get for less then a grand installed these days.
http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f112/golf-r-v-golf-gti-45833.html
Cheers,
denisGTI
Sorry..a little late to the thread, but thanks for posting this! Great read! when I saw that VW had announced this, I was really excited to hear this until I read more of the posts. Your article confirms this as well with the R having the old EA113 engine. Wasn't there some mess about cam-followers going bad and needing replaced all the time? Nobody on vortex seemed to really know if this had been remedied. Looks like I'm going to get a manual tranny GTI...
damnnnnnnnnnnn
oh well whatever... no biggie.
new club
"i love my GTI, even though it's not as fast as the R20 Club"
i'm more of a style person over a racer anyway.
I felt like I was driving in a coffin. .
The Mark 6 GTI motor develops more torque early in its rev range, making for instant power, punch & crispness to throttle inputs & forward thrust as opposed to the Golf R, which feels devoid of feel and builds speed up in a strong linear fashion – a typical trait of the older EA113 motor.
The greater thrust in the lower rev band makes the GTI more user friendly around town and when tackling the tight twisties - the driver is not required to rev the motor as hard or to have the MK6 GTI in the correct gear to extract the maximum performance from the EA888 Audi developed motor. In contrast, being caught in the incorrect gear in the Golf R would have the Golf GTI jumping ahead, especially up inclines. Easily done in day to day traffic.
The Mark 6 Golf GTI felt so much stronger in the lower & mid range power delivery than the Golf R. Downside of the Golf GTI is that power tapers off @ 5500rpm, where the Golf R is hitting its stride up to 6500rpm. More revs does equate to higher fuel consumption.
PS: I just looked at the APR site, ECU upgrades for both, and looked at the stock numbers for the GTI and R motor. TSI has stock tq of 224 @ 2500 and peters out @ 5k rpms. FSI has stock tq of 260 @ 2500 rpms and does not peter out like the TSI. That is a bit more torque from what the APR dyno shows! R for the win, again!! LMAO!!!
Does anyone know if the .:R motor will have the same problems (cam follower I believe) that the earlier MKV GTIs had?
ya, that is an opinion, lol. i am getting one and gonna drive the shit out of it on the track, lag, or whatever, ha ha!! now that it is coming, everyone is saying it has the old motor, lag, etc....then don't buy it!! I am, and can't wait to get on it, get the stage 1 chip on day one and have 322 hp or whatever, which is 60hp more than my r32!!! win for me!!!
haters gonna hate!!!!!
PS: I just looked at the APR site, ECU upgrades for both, and looked at the stock numbers for the GTI and R motor. TSI has stock tq of 224 @ 2500 and peters out @ 5k rpms. FSI has stock tq of 260 @ 2500 rpms and does not peter out like the TSI. That is a bit more torque from what the APR dyno shows! R for the win, again!! LMAO!!!
Does anyone know if the .:R motor will have the same problems (cam follower I believe) that the earlier MKV GTIs had?
Anyone know how many mpg's it gets?