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Old 04-06-2017, 11:34 AM   #29
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Old 04-06-2017, 01:16 PM   #30
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10k buys a lot of car...hot hatches abound. I would put him in a 2.5 Golf if he wants boring. A used Civic is the obvious pick. Mazdaspeed 3? Even a second gen Mini Cooper if you can find an unmolested one.
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Old 04-06-2017, 03:33 PM   #31
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You'll be needing one of these for your car: https://www.etsy.com/listing/4844081...home_active_19
I'll definitely put that on the Prius once I get it. Thanks for the suggestion.
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Old 04-06-2017, 03:35 PM   #32
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If he needs a commuter... get something that's gonna be cheapest to run with hardly any maintenance.
That's the idea. I don't give a shit about my carbon footprint. I care about MPG and overall cost to own.
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Old 04-06-2017, 03:39 PM   #33
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If you care about your brother just say no to a used second gen MINI. They really are fun cars until it comes time to pay for all the repairs it will need.
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Old 04-06-2017, 03:40 PM   #34
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He wants a Prius, let him get it.
If he wants some extra uuumpph when on e mode, he could also look into a Volt...that thing has some torque, and so does the 500e, but rear passengers are far worse with the Fiat.
If he doesn't commute yuge miles a day and charging is not an issue in his area, 500e lease is a steal.
I commute 13k miles a year. 3/5 days a week I have to drive my daughter to daycare in a child seat, so I need plenty of space in the rear seat. The Honda Fit, which was our old car, was too small to fit me 6'3" + rear facing child seat.
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Old 04-06-2017, 04:38 PM   #35
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Haha this thread is pure gold. I do truly hate prius drivers every clog on the freeway or city street you can bet 90% of the time it's a prius driver either going the same speed as the slow lane or trying to parallel park. Also the untold joke here is that my brothers car was hit by a prius driver which has thusly prompted him to ditch that car and buy a commuter.

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Old 04-06-2017, 04:40 PM   #36
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I commute 13k miles a year. 3/5 days a week I have to drive my daughter to daycare in a child seat, so I need plenty of space in the rear seat. The Honda Fit, which was our old car, was too small to fit me 6'3" + rear facing child seat.
Funny to say that: I was on the fence of leasing a 500e right before I got my current GTI, but one of the major drawbacks was the fact that there was no way to put a rear-facing child seat - with the kid strapped in it...

With current gas prices, a new Prius will be hard pressed to break even its higher acquisition cost over a similarly speced Corolla. Even worse for the Volt, although Chevy does have a few very aggressive leasing offers that probably cover your 13K/yr commute pattern. Similarly with the 500e - but kids don't really fit in the back of it before front facing seats come into play.

The straight gas commuters that are Prius sized, e.g. a Corolla, Civic etc, are usually cheaper and already do ~40 MPG.
The Prius will get you what? ~50 when new? Lets say 50 MPG.

For 13,000 miles / year that is: 13,000 M / 50 MPG = 260 gallons of fuel.
With the straight IC 40MPG car would be : 13,000 M / 40 MPG = 325 gallons of fuel = 65 gallons more per year which @ $3/gal = $195 extra fuel running costs / year. A 35MPG car would cost you ~$335/year more, a 30MPG ~$520

If you were to buy a used 40MPG IC car @ $2,000 less than a used Prius with same miles, you will need more than 10 years at current fuel prices to break even based on fuel running costs. A 35MPG car ~ 6yr to break even...you get the picture: pre-paying $2,000 or so to save fuel in the long run, is just not a sufficient excuse before your start opting for really inefficient cars, which none of the comparable to a Prius IC 4dr passenger cars built over the last 10yr is.

Now, there can be a wild-card at play in your case: e.g. you might need a HOV/Car Pool lane sticker that you get with a specific Prius and most Volt models, at least in States like CA. Many ppl that can afford much more expensive cars actually opt for "sticker" cars and weigh those 45-1hr saved in commute time a day as much as gold. Others opt to pay more than they hoped for to get in a Tesla to get access to that sticker.

Insurance might also be more expensive on the hybrid, based on the higher original cost / higher replacement cost, although insurance models might place a Civic in a "more prone to be involved in accidents" class than a Prius or Volt which might turn the tables on you...an online quote (or two, or three) will answer that.

Maintenance on a hybrid might also be more complicated, but this is highly situational and anecdotal: you might get a golden hybrid with zero issues vs. a lemon IC car that will punish you.
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Old 04-06-2017, 05:27 PM   #37
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Funny to say that: I was on the fence of leasing a 500e right before I got my current GTI, but one of the major drawbacks was the fact that there was no way to put a rear-facing child seat - with the kid strapped in it...

With current gas prices, a new Prius will be hard pressed to break even its higher acquisition cost over a similarly speced Corolla. Even worse for the Volt, although Chevy does have a few very aggressive leasing offers that probably cover your 13K/yr commute pattern. Similarly with the 500e - but kids don't really fit in the back of it before front facing seats come into play.

The straight gas commuters that are Prius sized, e.g. a Corolla, Civic etc, are usually cheaper and already do ~40 MPG.
The Prius will get you what? ~50 when new? Lets say 50 MPG.

For 13,000 miles / year that is: 13,000 M / 50 MPG = 260 gallons of fuel.
With the straight IC 40MPG car would be : 13,000 M / 40 MPG = 325 gallons of fuel = 65 gallons more per year which @ $3/gal = $195 extra fuel running costs / year. A 35MPG car would cost you ~$335/year more, a 30MPG ~$520

If you were to buy a used 40MPG IC car @ $2,000 less than a used Prius with same miles, you will need more than 10 years at current fuel prices to break even based on fuel running costs. A 35MPG car ~ 6yr to break even...you get the picture: pre-paying $2,000 or so to save fuel in the long run, is just not a sufficient excuse before your start opting for really inefficient cars, which none of the comparable to a Prius IC 4dr passenger cars built over the last 10yr is.

Now, there can be a wild-card at play in your case: e.g. you might need a HOV/Car Pool lane sticker that you get with a specific Prius and most Volt models, at least in States like CA. Many ppl that can afford much more expensive cars actually opt for "sticker" cars and weigh those 45-1hr saved in commute time a day as much as gold. Others opt to pay more than they hoped for to get in a Tesla to get access to that sticker.

Insurance might also be more expensive on the hybrid, based on the higher original cost / higher replacement cost, although insurance models might place a Civic in a "more prone to be involved in accidents" class than a Prius or Volt which might turn the tables on you...an online quote (or two, or three) will answer that.

Maintenance on a hybrid might also be more complicated, but this is highly situational and anecdotal: you might get a golden hybrid with zero issues vs. a lemon IC car that will punish you.
Good info. There are no HOV lanes on my commute.

I think any car I consider would have to be at 40mpg or better. And my budget is 7000, not 10k. Also, I found a steal of a deal on a used 05 prius with only 67k miles for $6500. If that deal doesn't work out, then i'll be looking at other options. Reliability and cost of maintenance is huge for me too.
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Old 04-06-2017, 05:39 PM   #38
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The Honda Fit, which was our old car, was too small to fit me 6'3" + rear facing child seat.
Consider a Camry Hybrid instead of the Prius if you think you'll need more space. Plus your brother won't lose his shit.
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Old 04-06-2017, 05:45 PM   #39
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Good info. There are no HOV lanes on my commute.

I think any car I consider would have to be at 40mpg or better. And my budget is 7000, not 10k. Also, I found a steal of a deal on a used 05 prius with only 67k miles for $6500. If that deal doesn't work out, then i'll be looking at other options. Reliability and cost of maintenance is huge for me too.
You should spend more time in a Prius forum then, trying to find honest members that share their reliability issues an not just stroking their confirmation bias, instead of a Golf biased forum.

Let your brother do his thing, you look after what YOU want to do =)
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Old 04-06-2017, 05:51 PM   #40
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You should spend more time in a Prius forum then, trying to find honest members that share their reliability issues an not just stroking their confirmation bias, instead of a Golf biased forum.

Let your brother do his thing, you look after what YOU want to do =)
I found the prius forum.
https://www.facebook.com/LeftLanePrius/

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Old 04-06-2017, 06:05 PM   #41
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Will be fun next Thanksgiving...cause he aint gonna talk to you before it...
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Old 04-06-2017, 06:20 PM   #42
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That's the idea. I don't give a shit about my carbon footprint. I care about MPG and overall cost to own.
See the previously mentioned TDI commerical.
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