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Old 09-12-2019, 02:42 PM   #463
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Very tempting, but I think I'll stick with RE-71s or Direzza IIIs for my first set. I'd like something that will be competitive in AutoX but last a few track days too. I was looking at RS-4s but I've heard that they don't work for AutoX.
I definitely wouldn't recommend R-Comps as a first set of track tires. As far as RS-4 not working for auto-x, I don't think that is accurate. It's not the best in the rain, but it's more than capable for dry auto-x and track days.
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Old 09-12-2019, 06:53 PM   #464
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Where are you buying them?
jbracingtires dot net is where I bought my lightly used racing tires.

And I don't necessarily agree with some of the cautions listed above based upon my own experience. You put them on and drive them. They don't squeal like a street tire with tread and they take a bit of getting used to but once you drive on a set you won't want to drive your street tires on the track anymore. What a huge upgrade. I bought a used set and I put a number of sessions on them and there was still some left when I took car down for rebuild.
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Old 09-12-2019, 08:58 PM   #465
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jbracingtires dot net is where I bought my lightly used racing tires.

And I don't necessarily agree with some of the cautions listed above based upon my own experience. You put them on and drive them. They don't squeal like a street tire with tread and they take a bit of getting used to but once you drive on a set you won't want to drive your street tires on the track anymore. What a huge upgrade. I bought a used set and I put a number of sessions on them and there was still some left when I took car down for rebuild.
I think the cautions are more from a driver development standpoint. Learning to drive on street tires forces you to be smooth and your deficiencies as a driver are more apparent. When a new driver jumps immediately to R-Cps or slicks, they lose out on that development and driving errors can be masked by grip. That's one of the reasons why most HPDE organizations don't allow R-comps or slicks in green run groups.
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I think the cautions are more from a driver development standpoint. Learning to drive on street tires forces you to be smooth and your deficiencies as a driver are more apparent. When a new driver jumps immediately to R-Cps or slicks, they lose out on that development and driving errors can be masked by grip. That's one of the reasons why most HPDE organizations don't allow R-comps or slicks in green run groups.
Wow I have driven with a few different organizations and don't recall any rules disallowing any particular tire type for any group. I personally prefer to train on same tire all the time so I get max time with the tire.

I can see why they might caution folks that are new to their car about running slicks, especially when it comes to moisture on the track. If you don't know your car well you probably will do the wrong thing when this happens. Of course the best thing to do is go back into the pits and switch tires ....
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Old 09-12-2019, 11:13 PM   #467
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This is a snip from the rules page of Trackdaze, which is the main HPDE organization I run with. I can't say enough good things about this organization, it's top notch and the instructors are great.



One other rule they have is that they don't allow apex markers of any type. I never understood why until I saw a driver blow through an apex because the apex marker he was so used to seeing got ran over. No apex markers forces you to use permanent landmarks and actually learn the layout of the track rather than "connecting the dots" of apex markers.
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Old 09-13-2019, 12:48 AM   #468
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I can definitely see that. I jumped straight to Hoosiers. Biggest thing was the cost savings. Take off sets are $400-$500 and last a long time. The other great thing is they can take heat all day long. I literally went 45 minutes STRAIGHT with no cool down laps. Was it smart? Probably not, but I had a hell of a time. But I also have all the other mods in place (accusump, track mounts/bushings, etc). Hoosiers do "mask" driver error to an extent, but "error" is relative. At least with our cars being FWD, if you crash on Hoosiers you're really doing something stupid or had a mechanical. Unless your car is setup really loose in the rear, these cars will push at the limit.

I will have to go back to street tires next year for SCCA nationals and will basically have to relearn the tracks I've already grown comfortable with as the time attack line is very different between r-comps and street tires.









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This is a snip from the rules page of Trackdaze, which is the main HPDE organization I run with. I can't say enough good things about this organization, it's top notch and the instructors are great.



One other rule they have is that they don't allow apex markers of any type. I never understood why until I saw a driver blow through an apex because the apex marker he was so used to seeing got ran over. No apex markers forces you to use permanent landmarks and actually learn the layout of the track rather than "connecting the dots" of apex markers.

Well that is one organization but it is not "most". I still am not sure I agree with the concept which not to say I am casting dispersion on the whole organization, I am sure it is a good one.
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Old 09-13-2019, 10:58 AM   #470
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Few more HPDE organizations for reference. NASA doesn't ban them but strongly discourages them for novice drivers, it's up to the instructors discretion. Reading the NASA forums, many instructors indicated that they wouldn't ride with a novice student on slicks or R-Comps. Either way, it's their choice I guess.

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Few more HPDE organizations for reference. NASA doesn't ban them but strongly discourages them for novice drivers, it's up to the instructors discretion. Reading the NASA forums, many instructors indicated that they wouldn't ride with a novice student on slicks or R-Comps. Either way, it's their choice I guess.

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I would certainly not get in with a student on r comps. It says more about that person's attitude/ego and decision making if you ask me. We always go into a lot of detail about leaving your ego at home but the message is not always heard.

I often hear clubs ask for a show of hands for novice groups on who's using r comps, then ask what car they're in....then say "the rest of you guys watch out when you're close to those cars"

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No more excuses, time to get back out there. Just signed up to run Road Atlanta. It's been a few years and I've never driven Road Atlanta so I've signed up as a novice. I'd like some supervision to help knock the rust off.
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Old 09-15-2019, 11:01 AM   #473
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No more excuses, time to get back out there. Just signed up to run Road Atlanta. It's been a few years and I've never driven Road Atlanta so I've signed up as a novice. I'd like some supervision to help knock the rust off.
Jealous, have fun my dude. My next track day isn't for a other month. It's a 2 day event at VIR, 4.2 mile Grand Course one day (aka VIRburgring) and the regular Full Course the next day.

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Jealous, have fun my dude. My next track day isn't for a other month. It's a 2 day event at VIR, 4.2 mile Grand Course one day (aka VIRburgring) and the regular Full Course the next day.

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Iíve come across a couple of your VIR videos on YouTube, looks like a lot of fun. How this event at Road Atlanta goes will set my schedule for next year and VIR full is a track I really want to get on.

If Iím easy enough on consumables I can see about a half a dozen events next year; multiple at Road Atlanta because itís a short drive from my house, but also VIR and Barber.
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