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Old 10-10-2019, 06:47 AM   #1
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Winter Set-Up

Whatís everybody running? Iíve been on 16Ē Gislaved Nord Frosts for the last 4 winters. Not overly impressed, the sidewalls are way too soft and they donít handle in slush at all. They were cheap off of a traded in EOS, the old lady still had winters in her garage for $200 with one winter on them. I want to go to a 17Ē. Whatís good value in terms of cost vs quality vs performance vs handling vs effectiveness. Is it still Hakkapa-whatevers, Blizzaks, and X-ice at the top of the heap?
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Old 10-10-2019, 07:05 AM   #2
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I have 16” wheels with Michelin X-ice3. In slushy stuff I’m not overly impressed but they have good manners in the dry are decent in snow. I will almost certainly go with Blizzaks next time. I want my winter tire to dominate winter conditions and from what I’ve read the Blizzak consistently comes out on top.
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Old 10-10-2019, 08:46 AM   #3
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I have 16Ē wheels with Michelin X-ice3. In slushy stuff Iím not overly impressed but they have good manners in the dry are decent in snow. I will almost certainly go with Blizzaks next time. I want my winter tire to dominate winter conditions and from what Iíve read the Blizzak consistently comes out on top.
Same set up. Not overly impressed with slushy performance. Might try BLizzaks' this year but the price. I keep hearing the Dunlop Maxx are better.

@usefulidiot why do you want to go up to 17"? More expensive tire, need to buy additional rims, are you expecting better performance?
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Old 10-10-2019, 12:49 PM   #4
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On the Golf, we normally run on 16” steel wheels with Gislaved Nord Frosts or General Alimax Arctics. There is no one silver bullet to suit all the conditions you just have to find one that is the least compromise for the area you live in. This winter tho we are going back to using 15 inch steel wheels, I picked up some 195 stock sized Good Year Ultra Grips at a Canadian Tire End of Season sale for $80 each. I like thinner tires for snow, when we go up north and hit deep snow on the side of the road the thinner tire doesn't get pulled as much towards the ditch.

Soft and squishy in the dry normally translate to decent winter performance, so lets hope the Good Year Ultra Grips get the message.

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Old 10-10-2019, 01:25 PM   #5
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On the Golf, we normally run on 16Ē steel wheels with Gislaved Nord Frosts or General Alimax Arctics. There is no one silver bullet to suit all the conditions you just have to find one that is the least compromise for the area you live in. This winter tho we are going back to using 15 inch steel wheels, I picked up some 195 stock sized Good Year Ultra Grips at a Canadian Tire End of Season sale for $80 each. I like thinner tires for snow, when we go up north and hit deep snow on the side of the road the thinner tire doesn't get pulled as much towards the ditch.

Soft and squishy in the dry normally translate to decent winter performance, so lets hope the Good Year Ultra Grips get the message.
Good info here ^.

Soft & rolly polly tires are what helps a snow tire work in the cold. Yes you give up some dry road handling, but it's worth it for winter driving safety IMO. Also as had been said narrow is better for a snow tire.

I've used Gislaved Frost, Various Blizzak's, Haka's & Ice X. So far the Ice X tires are my favorites.
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also check and maintain that tire pressure regularly!
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The switch to 17" is mostly due to my 17" Goals being switched to winter duty with an impending switch in summer set up next year. Sidewall flex makes sense, in maintaining stability and contact patch. I just found the Nordfrosts made for poor steering feel and response, coupled with unpredictable braking(yes psi good/yes treadwear/life good)

Agreed no magic beans. Thanks for the tips all.
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Old 10-11-2019, 01:48 AM   #8
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The switch to 17" is mostly due to my 17" Goals being switched to winter duty with an impending switch in summer set up next year....
For Winter Driving, I'd stick with 16 inch steel wheels, so easy to make a mistake and crack up one of the Goal Wheels and screw up the set.


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... I just found the Nordfrosts made for poor steering feel and response, coupled with unpredictable braking(yes psi good/yes treadwear/life good)....
Debatable, it's not always the tire, the feel and response on ice and snow are muted yes but there is a lot more grip on ice and snow than 98% of the world realizes; the key is to know how to extract it. Most Drivers are "Bull in a China Shop", they simple over power the controls, then blame it on the tires. Using proper technique and finesse we can actually extend the point when a tire breaks traction on ice while cornering at the same speed by using good weight transfer and slower more controlled steering inputs, done correctly where a tire previously understeered, we can regain some of the lost control.

Ben, many years ago I used to drive a couple hours north east to race on ice in Minden ON, you actually live more than half way to Minden, go have a look in January/February; better yet buy a $500 beater and go have some fun, it will definitely make you into a faster err better driver in any condition.

Ian Law Racing does a Winter Safe Driving Program in Minden that both my Son and Daughter as well as my wife have attended.

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Old 10-11-2019, 01:38 PM   #9
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215/55/16 Pirelli winter ice zero
Wheel is 16x7j et35
They are poking a little out of my fenders

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Old 10-11-2019, 03:39 PM   #10
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215/55/16 Pirelli winter ice zero
Wheel is 16x7j et35
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Vinnie, i was looking for a set of those in 16s but only found 17s, you always have a knack of finding stuff.

215/55/16, very similar to a Tiguan setup, we've run on 205 60/16 the extra diameter promotes less wheel spin and gives an ever so slightly ground clearance which is good in the heave stuff.

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215/55/16 Pirelli winter ice zero
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lil poke aint bad.. long as you have mud guards
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Old 10-12-2019, 04:08 PM   #12
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lil poke aint bad.. long as you have mud guards
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