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Old 09-07-2015, 09:40 PM   #43
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I've got nearly 200 miles on my Sachs Racing disk now, and absolutely love it! Engagement is always consistent and smooth. It is a bit grabbier than the setup I had before, and in a good way in my opinion. Unsprung hub brings some noticeable additional feeling of directness too.

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Old 09-16-2015, 10:56 PM   #44
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Still waiting to get mine installed, sorry I've been dragging guys.
Matt, any comments about the noise?
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Old 09-17-2015, 05:14 PM   #45
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It is ever so slightly louder than with the RSR at idle, but not barey noticeably so. Haven't been able to drive it much, so I'm not much further than 200 miles yet. It seems like this setup usually needs a good 500-1000 miles to break in. Bummer right?

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Old 09-22-2015, 08:53 PM   #46
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Get yours in yet APdubbin? I'm closer to 400 miles now and engagement has moved down a bit from the top of the pedal where it was. Seems to be getting a bit grippier now too. I'm liking it more and more so far. Can't wait to be through the break in process so I can get back on the 93 octane Stage III tune and give it a good flogging. Definitely taking it slow though so far.

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Old 09-23-2015, 11:52 PM   #47
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No buddy. I actually just had a unexpected issue with the car. My belt tensioner clips broke, causing a misalignment of the belt. So I just got my car back. Now I have to do the clutch on top of that ��
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Old 09-24-2015, 07:04 AM   #48
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Ouch, sorry to hear that. Hope everything goes more smoothly for you.

I've certainly noticed that engagement has gotten a bit noisier as this disc breaks in. The sprung hub on my prior setup seems to have done its job in that area, but the extra noise is hardly a problem.

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Old 09-24-2015, 12:52 PM   #49
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Refresh my memory again, did you go DMFW or SMFW
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Old 09-24-2015, 06:46 PM   #50
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I've got my original stock DMFW.

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Old 10-23-2015, 07:33 PM   #51
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Well, that first disc ended up not working out. I've got a new one (sprung hub and new material this time) that seems to be doing better though!

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Old 11-05-2015, 03:02 PM   #52
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A heads up for anyone looking to do the set up that I am doing. My car is currently at GRD tuned shop in West Chicago with the clutch kit from sachs that is meant to be paired with the OEM flywheel. According to the mechanic, the two will fit, however the clutch kit from Sachs is a non-sprung pressure plate that "should not be paired with a dual mass flywheel". He doesn't recommend the pair to go together because of possible future problems down the road, however I am forced to do it anyways because I have no other options. Sachs stands steady, saying that the two are compatible and there should be no problems. So I don't know who to believe, Sachs or the mechanic. I will be putting it on regardless and I will keep this thread posted on my progress.
Just letting everyone know to be cautious when buying the set up that I have.
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Old 11-05-2015, 03:51 PM   #53
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I am assuming he means "non-sprung clutch disc," but I don't think it's completely black and white. One of the reasons for the springs on a clutch disc is to dampen the power pulses from the engine firing. With a dual-mass flywheel, the springs on the flywheel itself along with the heavier mass help dampen said pulses. This why dual mass flywheels are typically paired with either solid discs or discs with smaller springs, since most of the dampening is handled by the flywheel.

On a single mass flywheel setup, the lack of mass and springs to absorb the vibration do not dampen the pulses as well (which results in drivetrain noise). This is why the "correct" pairing is generally with a disc that has pretty substantial springs to help dampen the pulses.

Regarding reliability, the more pulses that get through to your transmission, the higher likelihood of causing wear on the transmission. At the same time, the benefit of running a rigid disc tends to be higher clamping loads (with friction material also playing a part) and lower rotational inertia. So it's a bit of a balancing act.
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Old 11-05-2015, 04:28 PM   #54
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Yes sorry, I misspoke, non-sprung clutch disc.
So from your opinion, you think it shouldn't be an issue? The mechanic told me he doesn't recommend it and that he's seen problems arise with the "flywheel being torn apart"... Not sure what that means or why that would happen. But he got me worried.
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Old 11-05-2015, 04:37 PM   #55
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Also side note, the original flywheel that came with the car was driven for only 36k miles. To reuse it with the current set up, they needed to refinish it, or "turn it" as they put it. Just an fyi, if anyones looking to use their original dual mass flywheel.
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Old 11-05-2015, 09:57 PM   #56
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I had some extra axial play on my DMF when that first disc came out that wasn't there previously. We ended up putting in a new DMF with the new clutch disc that's in there now (which I don't think I can yet disclose the source of, but is full face feramic and excellent).

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