GOLFMK8
GOLFMK7
GOLFMK6
GOLFMKV
VW GTI MKVI Forum / VW Golf R Forum / VW Golf MKVI Forum / VW GTI Forum - Golfmk6.com



Go Back   VW GTI MKVI Forum / VW Golf R Forum / VW Golf MKVI Forum / VW GTI Forum - Golfmk6.com > Technical Topics > Tracking / Autocrossing / Driving Techniques


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 05-02-2017, 01:37 AM   #1
theclutch
Oval Champion
 
theclutch's Avatar
 
Drives: Mk6
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Boston
Posts: 161
Getting ready for driving schools

Hello folks, I just spent about 3 hours reading posts on brake pads, fluids, etc. ad nauseum... My issue is, some of the posts were outdated. For some background, I've done a lot of driving schools. Historically, I've used Hawk Blues and ATE Superblue brake fluids. Apparently, Superblues are no longer in existence. I'm also done with the Hawk Blues since they are corrosive to the finish of my wheels. HT-10s supposedly replaced (or is a newer compound) than Hawk Blues and DTC-60's supposedly replaced HT-10's.

I plan on using doing the events locally at Palmer Motorsports (in MA) and Thompson Speedway (in CT). From watching youtubes of the track, they don't seem to be too aggressive with brakes when compared to Watkins Glen, which is the track that I've done most schools with.

So I need clarification from the guys that still track their GTI's. Are these still the latest info?

1) Remove brake dust shields
2) DTC-60 front and rears (I'm a believer of using the same front/rear combo as the car was designed to have the same pad compound front/rear)
3) Motul 600/660 brake fluid
4) RS3 brake ducts (I got these part numbers from a Mk5 thread. Would these part numbers fit Mk6? 8P0863149A 8P0863150A). See below:

http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showpo...4&postcount=87

Thanks in advance!

Edit: Well that bites... Apparently, the DTC-60 is NOT available for our cars for the rears. So what do I use now?

Last edited by theclutch; 05-02-2017 at 02:14 AM.
theclutch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2017, 12:59 PM   #2
red_stapler
Rally Car Newbie
 
red_stapler's Avatar
 
Drives: '12 GTI DSG
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Nashville, TN
Posts: 267
Quote:
Originally Posted by theclutch View Post
Apparently, Superblues are no longer in existence.
Correct, ATE had to stop selling it with the blue dye. Typ 200 is the same stuff, just the standard amber color.

Quote:
Originally Posted by theclutch View Post
HT-10s supposedly replaced (or is a newer compound) than Hawk Blues and DTC-60's supposedly replaced HT-10's.
DTCs are among the most aggressive racing pads:



Depending on your tires, that might be too much friction and you'll be getting into ABS way too easily. Here's a handy comparison chart:



Quote:
Originally Posted by theclutch View Post
I'm a believer of using the same front/rear combo as the car was designed to have the same pad compound front/rear

Edit: Well that bites... Apparently, the DTC-60 is NOT available for our cars for the rears. So what do I use now?
The people that design braking systems pretty much always recommend a lower friction compound on the rear axle. The Mk6 for example has ATE front and Bosch rear compounds from the factory. It's unlikely that they're the same friction levels.

That being said, I'f you're strictly a hawk guy and run r-compound tires, I'd reccomend DTC-15s on the rear with DTC-60 fronts.

Quote:
Originally Posted by theclutch View Post
3) Motul 600/660 brake fluid
Motul is pretty much the best stuff.

Quote:
Originally Posted by theclutch View Post
4) RS3 brake ducts
I'm sure they help, haven't tried them to quantify.
__________________
'02 Civic Si
Formerly: 12 GTI DSG
red_stapler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2017, 06:14 PM   #3
theclutch
Oval Champion
 
theclutch's Avatar
 
Drives: Mk6
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Boston
Posts: 161
I don't believe DTC-15s are available in the rear for our cars either. I only saw HPS and HPS 5.0. Per chance, would you know where the 5.0 would fit into you chart above? NICE CHART!
theclutch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2017, 06:17 PM   #4
jay745
Mod Flanders
 
jay745's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 CW GTI Wolfsburg (racecar)
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Chicago
Posts: 19,260
I've been running carbotech xp10 pads and love them. They seem to be a bit easier on rotors than the hawk pads from what I've seen.
__________________
Hit me up for VagCom in Chicago
Click >here< for my build thread.
I'll do your 40k service for much cheaper than a dealer.
jay745 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2017, 06:29 PM   #5
red_stapler
Rally Car Newbie
 
red_stapler's Avatar
 
Drives: '12 GTI DSG
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Nashville, TN
Posts: 267
Quote:
Originally Posted by theclutch View Post
I don't believe DTC-15s are available in the rear for our cars either. I only saw HPS and HPS 5.0. Per chance, would you know where the 5.0 would fit into you chart above? NICE CHART!
I guess I should have actually looked in the catalogs huh? That new "HPS race" compound looks interesting.

I'd imagine the 5.0s fit in between the HPS and HP+ on that chart, with a torque curve more similar to the HP+.
__________________
'02 Civic Si
Formerly: 12 GTI DSG
red_stapler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2017, 10:17 PM   #6
theclutch
Oval Champion
 
theclutch's Avatar
 
Drives: Mk6
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Boston
Posts: 161
Quote:
Originally Posted by jay745 View Post
I've been running carbotech xp10 pads and love them. They seem to be a bit easier on rotors than the hawk pads from what I've seen.
Are these available for our cars on both front/rear sets? Also, got a clue where they stack up compared to the chart shown? Thanks in advance!
theclutch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2017, 10:18 PM   #7
theclutch
Oval Champion
 
theclutch's Avatar
 
Drives: Mk6
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Boston
Posts: 161
Quote:
Originally Posted by red_stapler View Post
The people that design braking systems pretty much always recommend a lower friction compound on the rear axle. The Mk6 for example has ATE front and Bosch rear compounds from the factory. It's unlikely that they're the same friction levels.
Hmmm..... now I'm going to have to take the wheels off and check them out!
theclutch is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:13 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.