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Old 02-27-2018, 06:38 PM   #1
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Who wants to see an eBay budget Ko4/f23t build ???

Before anyone says anything I know yes I said eBay...I know the quality isn’t the best we all know....yes I’m a noob I lurk only..... and I’m not a noob to turbo cars or cars in general.

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EBay S4 intercooler and charge pipes(proven to be good)
Ko4/f23t( so called “bootlegs” of several company’s but they all come from China, and I’ve done my own research and to me they all the same parts just relabeled. Not bashing any company this is my own personal opinion.)
Oviously a Pro tune by Bren tuning
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I’ll add more as I think of it.
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Old 02-27-2018, 09:05 PM   #2
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The parts all do come from china, but the BW turbo is a proven turbo with MUCH better quality control and better parts. You may be in for a world of headaches, but good luck with it anyway.
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Old 02-27-2018, 09:12 PM   #3
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That'd be cool man, it's your build do whatever you want, do some coilovers too


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Old 02-27-2018, 09:12 PM   #4
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Edit: now I thought about it .... The Borg Warner/BW is expensive and the K04 has to be modified to fit if it's a OEM turbo from the VW.

The best but also pricey K04 is the IE K04 IMO .... already modified with all needed modifications.

I would definitely be interested in seeing you build a budget setup .... Just try to make it the most reliable setup of the budget turbos .... Maybe buy a budget K04 and port the intake side and then add OEM internals.

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Old 02-27-2018, 09:49 PM   #5
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Edit: now I thought about it .... The Borg Warner/BW is expensive and the K04 has to be modified to fit if it's a OEM turbo from the VW.

The best but also pricey K04 is the IE K04 IMO .... already modified with all needed modifications.

I would definitely be interested in seeing you build a budget setup .... Just try to make it the most reliable setup of the budget turbos .... Maybe buy a budget K04 and port the intake side and then add OEM internals.
You want to port the exhaust side, that's what gets the gasses out faster.... there's a lot of meat in there to come out, I did my own. My k04 was 1650 for everything with the CTS sale, so the BW is actually not the most expensive. What makes IE's k04 "the best"?
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Old 02-27-2018, 09:56 PM   #6
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You want to port the exhaust side, that's what gets the gasses out faster.... there's a lot of meat in there to come out, I did my own. My k04 was 1650 for everything with the CTS sale, so the BW is actually not the most expensive. What makes IE's k04 "the best"?
Well sometimes the exhaust side can cause issues from what I've heard .... But I guess it's fine .... You on a basic tune?

Wow that is not bad for a K04 for setup ....

IE's K04 is just nicely finished and has a adapter for the stock DV location and welded muffler delete and it's a decent price .... Just my opinion ....

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Old 02-27-2018, 10:00 PM   #7
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Well sometimes the exhaust side can cause issues from what I've heard .... But I guess it's fine .... You on a basic tune?

Wow that is not bad for a K04 for setup ....

IE's K04 is just nicely finished and has a adapter for the stock DV location and welded muffler delete and it's a decent price .... Just my opinion ....

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Cts' kit has the added turbo muffler, and... in all honesty, keeping the DV away from the added heat, will be better for it. A DV relocation is really more ideal. No offense, but did you just start up with these cars? How does porting the exhaust side cause issues?
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Old 02-27-2018, 10:36 PM   #8
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Cts' kit has the added turbo muffler, and... in all honesty, keeping the DV away from the added heat, will be better for it. A DV relocation is really more ideal. No offense, but did you just start up with these cars? How does porting the exhaust side cause issues?
Explain how it will be better for it .... The DV is still in the turbo housing even on current generation GTI's and R's .... And it's also far less of clutter job under the hood without a relocation kit wrapping around the engine .... In sure if turbo heat, cooking the DV was such a big issue, OEM manufacturers wouldn't put it there ....

Anyway I haven't heard of/seen any issues with heat problems related to the DV being in the factory location where the engineers designed it to be.

The issue about exhaust gas flow was in a thread about someone porting there APR K04 .... Wasn't necessary fact .... They just stated that they didn't think it would be good for valve timing on a basic tune.

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Explain how it will be better for it .... The DV is still in the turbo housing even on current generation GTI's and R's .... And it's also far less of clutter job under the hood without a relocation kit wrapping around the engine .... In sure if turbo heat, cooking the DV was such a big issue, OEM manufacturers wouldn't put it there ....

Anyway I haven't heard of/seen any issues with heat problems related to the DV being in the factory location where the engineers designed it to be.

The issue about exhaust gas flow was in a thread about someone porting there APR K04 .... Wasn't necessary fact .... They just stated that they didn't think it would be good for valve timing on a basic tune.

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Heat is always bad for cheap plastic parts. Not to mention the fact that when you kill a pcv valve, oil just runs down your intake, which also kills DV's... I know because it's happened to me several times with junk turbos like what OP is talking about building. Save your time, money, and effort and justg go with an OEM BW turbo. You want to run more power? Up the intercooler size and get a forge or turbosmart WGA, and up the boost. If thed F23 and other K04s are pushing so much power, why doesn't it seem to be showing up in 1/4 times?
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Old 02-27-2018, 11:56 PM   #10
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Ive seen arguments that the FrankenTurbos are literally the same ones being sold on Ebay. Not sure what the deal is, but they probably work. Not sure about longevity though.
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Old 02-27-2018, 11:57 PM   #11
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Also the CTS k04 is on sale for like $1650 right now, and they updated the kit so its more like the IE k04 with the dv in the factory spot with the adapter plate
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Old 02-28-2018, 01:49 AM   #12
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You can get these cars for so cheap anymore going the eBay route kinda makes sense. But $1650 for a clean, bolt on upgrade like a CTS K04 is definitely not unreasonable.
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Old 02-28-2018, 09:40 AM   #13
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wait so CTS keeps the muffler on the turbo? I thought they removed it like everyone else?
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wait so CTS keeps the muffler on the turbo? I thought they removed it like everyone else?
It's cut off and a muffler delete is justf welded on
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