Gunkata
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I'm not the one writing off mods on my taxes, brodawg. And I'm not a track whore by any means, i try to go 3-5 times a year - if I'm lucky.
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I'm not the one writing off mods on my taxes, brodawg. And I'm not a track whore by any means, i try to go 3-5 times a year - if I'm lucky.
First of all you need to site your sources like so:
Welfare Stats:
> http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/01/25/us/20090126-welfare-table.html
Population Stats:
> http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004986.html
> http://www.eddieoneverything.com/li...h-us-state-according-to-the-census-bureau.php
As you can see, I used 2008 population data to compare with 2008 welfare data from the NYT article. Since we don't know where your numbers came from I can only assume you're using 2010 census data. Feel free to cite your source.
There's a discrepency in population between the two sources for Alabama, Colorado and Connecticut. So I'll use the highest number for the blue state and the lowest number for the Red. Since D.C. is not in the chart you posted (but couldn't explain) I've excluded it from the calculations.
So...
Estimated Popluation in 2008 per the census bureau:
Blues States = 143,641,806
Red States = 159,786,940
So the Red states actually have 16 million (16,145,134 to be exact) more residents per the US Census Bureau.
Estimated Welfare Recipients in 2008:
Blues States = 2,762,416
Red States = 1,449,448
So in fact, in 2008, the Red States had a larger population and a lower number of welfare recipents.
But I digress... not really.
Sit tight chump... it's dinner time and I have work to do so you'll get a reprieve till tomorrow. :thumbsup:
McQueen77
Banned
I had no idea any Bush's relatives were mk6 fans???
Yeah, i have to question anyone who openly defends that man, any of his policies aside. Doesn't take a genius to see that guy was a fucking moron. Sorry, but I personally want a president who is smarter than me. Because you know, he's the FREAKING PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!!!!!! What is the fascination with 'ordinary people' and that BS angle that Sarah Palin was working for a while? "I'm a moron just like you. Vote for me, mouth breathing Wal Mart shoppers of America." I don't want some backwards hick who thinks that global warming is leftist propaganda and probably thinks the world is flat to be in the driver's seat. Cram all the rhetoric up your ass Mk6 guy, at the end of the day, politics aside, you are a defender of morons.
I should be working but I just had to look...
Rhetoric, defending Bush? I've been giving you guys stats and facts. What a bunch of cry babies...
So if the company (current OR future) you work for offered you a company car, you'd refuse? Because, you know... they write that off, along with every other perk they give you.
Not only do I pay the additional 13% self-employment tax, I also don't get a company sponsored 401k, unemployment benefits, health insurance, etc.
It's sink or swim for me... And the mods I write off, don't even come close to replacing those perks.
I don't see anyone complaining about the excess of professional athletes and entertainers. How about we impose an Excess Profits Tax on them for anything over 1 million? Of course the downside to that is ticket price inflation. This I can support, lets do it!
disclaf
Ready to race!
First of all you need to site your sources like so:
Welfare Stats:
> http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/01/25/us/20090126-welfare-table.html
Population Stats:
> http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004986.html
> http://www.eddieoneverything.com/li...h-us-state-according-to-the-census-bureau.php
As you can see, I used 2008 population data to compare with 2008 welfare data from the NYT article. Since we don't know where your numbers came from I can only assume you're using 2010 census data. Feel free to cite your source.
There's a discrepency in population between the two sources for Alabama, Colorado and Connecticut. So I'll use the highest number for the blue state and the lowest number for the Red. Since D.C. is not in the chart you posted (but couldn't explain) I've excluded it from the calculations.
So...
Estimated Popluation in 2008 per the census bureau:
Blues States = 143,641,806
Red States = 159,786,940
So the Red states actually have 16 million (16,145,134 to be exact) more residents per the US Census Bureau.
Estimated Welfare Recipients in 2008:
Blues States = 2,762,416
Red States = 1,449,448
So in fact, in 2008, the Red States had a larger population and a lower number of welfare recipents.
But I digress... not really.
LOL - really bro?
The 2008 population source was first cited by me in post 221. I acknowledged your source from the NY Times for cross-referencing in the same post.
OK...before I completely obliterate your mathematics...but at the risk of causing you to short circuit...which metric are you using to determine a "blue state" and "red state"?
2008 Presidential election?
Party of sitting governor of 2008?
Number of Congressional Seats in 2008?
Let me know...maybe you made an honest mistake and we are not using the same metric to identify a "red state" and "blue state" - because my population numbers are WAY different than yours (I am using the NY Times chart data and the 2008 population data - not 2010 - from the link I first posted). I will post this data when completed. (or adjust them if we are using a different metric).
And - the chart that I provided titled "Red State Socialism" is not relevant whatsoever to the argument we are having - it shows STATE revenue flows, not INDIVIDUALS who are on welfare - there is a big difference. I don't know why you keep throwing it in - it supported my other point about blue states supporting red states, and blue states being ahead of red states in several socio-economic factors. Different argument than the one we are having now.
By the way - why have you not commented on this evil socialist scheme that has existed in this country for at least the past 80 years?
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Gunkata
Drag Race Newbie
ok, this I can agree with - however, the normal tax rates would apply to these people if the Bush tax cuts were allowed to expire, no?
Yeah, really.
LOL - really bro?
If you used this as your source you didn't use the July 2008 Population estimate otherwise you'd get the same numbers after removing DC from the calculation (because it isn't on your chart).
As stated above, I used your chart "Red State Socialism" as the metric.
You presented the chart as proof of Red states being welfare states. I'm glad you decided to dig a little deeper to discover it wasn't what you initially thought it to be. This is progress.
When you can explain the chart and break down then numbers we can talk about it... I look forward to it.
I'm pretty sure there aren't 59 million people in DC so good luck obliterating my mathematics!
:thumbsup:
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You want to raise taxes during a recession on middle-class families?
The Bush Tax Cuts covered all tax brackets they also increased the standard deduction among other positives for the middle class.
Perhaps your talking about the 2010 proposed rate increase for those making $250k/1mil? This would still have a negative impact on the middle class.
Perhaps your talking about the 2010 proposed rate increase for those making $250k/1mil? This would still have a negative impact on the middle class.
Gunkata
Drag Race Newbie
I thought one covered all and there was a separate one - that must be the 2010. I don't know too many "middle class" people making $250K. What is the impact, for small businesses or?
Hilfloskind
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