Johnny Two Tone
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Can't we all just get along!? :yikes:
For being such an expert you don't read very carefully, maybe if you lowered your nose a bit you could make out the words more clearly. The issue was the limitation in crossover frequency, not slope. And really, there's no difference between a 1k hi-pass filter and a 4k hi-pass filter? News to me.
Can't we all just get along!? :yikes:
Well, look at it this way: Another poster here (quality_sound) who insists that he's "been in the business" for X years (figuratively speaking) also says that generally similar amps have no noticeable sound quality difference (I agree with him), so features are exactly what should make or break their purchase.
Then again I've never used an amp itself to cross anything over, so it's a non-issue for me, personally. Although, if you go to DIYMA.com and read some of the official thread for the Rockford Fosgate 3Sixty.3 every other person complains about the lack of the ability to have different slopes on each end of the band pass (RF says they are correcting this issue with the next software release). So, for a lot of people the small details can be deal breakers.
-Sometimes car audio people need to get over themselves. "Weeelll, you see my 32-bit floating point burr brown DAC simply is the bee's knees. Now listen while I play my favorite MP3s on it... BT'd from my iPhone"
Any deficiencies in its audio quality don't justify giving up all the integration features or the hassle of recreating those features with an aftermarket HU. Strictly IMHO of course.
I got into car audio in 1991 and did it as a career until I enlisted in 2002. After that it was side-jobs and helping with some manufacturers demo cars.
Exactly my point and why I never gave up on the unit. It's a compromise between features/oem integration and SQ.
Ya, that's what I meant. Both phd_12v and yourself are avid car audio enthusiast, but you also have contrasting views on amps (or, so it would seem). I was just using you as an example of a knowledgeable source that would argue in favor of one amp over another because of something like slope settings.
Back on topic: I've tried every slope and x-over point under the sun for my front two-way and I simply prefer a 24db slope at at-least 4000hz (preferably 5000hz, really) with my particular tweets. But, that's just me - results may very.
exactly, and before anyone throws out the Richard Clark amp test, let me be the first to tell you under the parameters of the test (gotta read that for a good laugh one day) all amplifiers technically should sound the same................ all their job is to do, is to amplify the input signal......thats it. Built in crossover networks and dsp controls can change the original signal to a point of being able to hear small nuances differently.
phd-12v said:I just tend to do everything outboard, either building my own crossover networks (like we used to do in the early 90's, because damn if it doesnt still work good) or i can always grab some audiocontrol 24xs's and start linking them together........because damn if that doesnt work awesome too.............. most of the cars i did or built were all active....not passive. Unless it wasnt a true sq car. If we talking about 1200-2500 dollar sound systems, then this is a mute point. I had over 7000 invested in my previous gti, and had 6 speakers total. And that was equipment price, not including install and time and asthetic things. Oh wiring for the sytem was in the 1 grand area, just for wiring.
no matter what, no one wants to hear someone got laid off i am truly sorry for that, and hope that a better and bigger door will open for you soon. It is tough out there and hopefully you get something soon.
Also aurgueing about car audio isnt necessarily fun for me at all, honestly ive been down this road way to many times in the past. All i can do is give you my insights into certain aspects of it, and hopefully be able to make people think about the install and design.
And maybe have someone (even just one) learn something from the arguement, then it is worthwhile.
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Here's a couple pics of the HU installed with the Enfig bits. It looks pretty clean, I think.
I've been working on equalization and speaker balancing like crazy, and think I've finally got it sounding pretty nice. Thanks to everyone who commented.