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Front mount intercooler versus upgraded stock location intercooler questions
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Velociraptor Thrust
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I wanted to! But I was scared of safety and resale when cutting the bumper. That and I got a huge deal on my neuspeed
nvturbo
Go Kart Champion
Trust me, there was a lot of measuring involved prior to and during the install. Everyone I knew that had an upgrade was the typical SMIC so I didn't have a "template" to look at. Beforehand, if I found a deal on the Neuspeed, I would have bought that instead, just for the simplicity factor.
XGC75
Go Kart Champion
It's all a matter of optimizing. Keeping the outside air in contact with the core as cool as possible suggests that the core should be wider, taller and as short as you can manufacture it. There's also the ratio of interior volume to interior surface area. Again suggesting that the core should be thin. There's no secret sauce to heat exchanger design.
They don't have to pay engineers much to develop FMICs. The cores themselves are off-the-shelf units from manufacturers around the world. It's just a matter of endtank design and mounting to the application. If it sells they'll keep making them. It's the SMICs that require actual heat exchanger design, since it's sitting behind a radiator and more susceptible to doing more harm than good.
Chris@DoubleApex
Ready to race!
All else being equal it's true. As the ambient air travels through the core it picks up heat so the heat exchange rate drops towards the back of the core.
That's not to say it still won't work well but excessive core thickness is usually a packaging compromise. If they want to make a FMIC that fits below the stock crash bar there is only so much room. They can't use a taller core so they use a thicker one.
nvturbo
Go Kart Champion
For our platform, 3" thickness and 7" tall is about the most you can fit under the crash bar without cutting into it. Coincidentally, that's the specs of my FMIC I'm using.
^^^this please, I'd be very interested as well.
Any modifications needed to fit?
Keep stock Intercooler in place or remove?
Thanks ahead of time.
nvturbo
Go Kart Champion
Sure thing guys.
focusfuri75, I kept the stock one in place (but not utilized) just because I didn't want to bother buying that $175 bracket from Neuspeed.
There's no need for modification of the crash bar. You just have to make a bracket that attaches to the hard plastic (radiator/hood lock mechanism) support to mount the FMIC. There are two welded mounting tabs on the top of it (FMIC). Make sure they are facing forward so you can reach the holes. You will have to trim a bit of the front bumper (on the back side) underneath the whiskers around the foglights.Here are the links:
ETS 2G Mitsubishi Eclipse 7" FMIC -- http://www.extremeturbosystems.com/ETS-95-99-Eclipse-2G-DSM-7-Street-Intercooler.html
(2) 2.5" 45 degree silicone hoses -- http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-5-45-Degr...Parts_Accessories&hash=item5669bf3d2e&vxp=mtr
(14) 2.5" clamps (2.88") -- http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-88-Clampc...r_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item234d4ff353
(1) 2.75" ~ 2.5" reducer (discharge pipe/s-shape pipe) -- http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-5-to-2-75...Parts_Accessories&hash=item2c6bdba012&vxp=mtr
(1) 1 meter of 2.5" silicone hose -- http://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-2-5-2...Parts_Accessories&hash=item3a8cf153c1&vxp=mtr
(1) 2.75" ~ 2.5" silicone 45 degree hose (throttle body) ** OPTIONAL ** -- http://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-2-5-2...Parts_Accessories&hash=item58c0c9c5ce&vxp=mtr
(1) s-shape 2.5" aluminum pipe -- http://store.max-redline.com/servlet/-strse-28/2.5"-OD-Air-Intake/Detail
(2) 45 degree 2.5" piping -- http://store.max-redline.com/servlet/-strse-1260/2.5"-OD-45-Degree/Detail
(1) 90 degree 2.5" piping -- http://store.max-redline.com/servlet/-strse-848/2.5"-90-Degree-Bend/Detail
As for mounting the FMIC, grab these items from your local Home Depot/Lowes:
- 1" wide aluminum stick
- (4 each) M12 or M14 nuts and bolts (at least 1" long) (@ the FMIC and plastic radiator support)
FMIC --- www.extremeturbosystems.com
silicone hoses and clamps -- www.ebay.com
aluminum pipes --- www.max-redline.com
all piping are 2.5" along with silicone hoses, unless noted.
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ViRtUaLheretic
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As far as the thickness of a core there is a diminishing point of return.
If you check on some supra and evo forums there have been some thorough testing.
Obviously there are exceptions liek if you dont have enough space for a large size core so your only option is to go thicker.
Plus there is a difference between a street car, track car, and drag car.
Different needs, different application.
If you check on some supra and evo forums there have been some thorough testing.
Obviously there are exceptions liek if you dont have enough space for a large size core so your only option is to go thicker.
Plus there is a difference between a street car, track car, and drag car.
Different needs, different application.
nvturbo
Go Kart Champion
Haha. I know, right?! Too bad they're all the way on the other side of the country. I would definitely let them use my car for R&D/Beta testing. LoL