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Ukraine: WAR Huh - What Is It Good For Absorootly Nothing

Unreal1

Autocross Champion


Congress Has Removed a Ban on Funding Neo-Nazis From Its Year-End Spending Bill​


https://www.thenation.com/article/a...ng-neo-nazis-from-its-year-end-spending-bill/


Svoboda: The rise of Ukraine's ultra-nationalists​


https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-20824693


Local Jews in shock after Ukrainian city of Konotop elects neo-Nazi mayor​


https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Ukrainian-Jews-shocked-after-city-elects-neo-Nazi-mayor-437975


Preparing for War With Ukraine’s Fascist Defenders of Freedom​


https://foreignpolicy.com/2014/08/30/preparing-for-war-with-ukraines-fascist-defenders-of-freedom/

I'm not saying they're a nazi state, but clearly they have some issues they need to address before being considered for NATO.
 

Corprin

Autocross Champion
pump the brakes guys, save it for that other thread.
 

Unreal1

Autocross Champion
These are facts though, I'm not posting conspiracies. I'm not justifying Russia's invasion either, but we still have to put all the facts on the table. There's no sense in hiding it.
 

dtfd

Autocross Champion
https://www.vox.com/2018/7/9/175258...-republicans-illinois-north-carolina-virginia

Self-described Nazis and white supremacists are running as Republicans across the country.​


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/31/republican-thomas-massie-voltaire-quote-neo-nazi

Republican under fire for using ‘Voltaire’ quote actually coined by neo-Nazi​


https://www.azmirror.com/2021/09/23...logists-at-rally-to-support-insurrectionists/

GOP lawmakers will appear alongside white nationalists, Nazi apologists, at rally to support insurrectionists​


https://nymag.com/intelligencer/art...kenosha-charlottesville-very-fine-people.html

How Trump Brought Nazis Into Republican Politics


I'm not saying the republicans are a nazi party but they clearly have have some issues they need to address before considered for office


see how easy that was? beep boop beep boop i'm a russian bot
 

Unreal1

Autocross Champion

And what would be the US equivalent of the Azov? It would be a terrible look for NATO to be fighting alongside nazis. No?
 

Unreal1

Autocross Champion
Is it so unreasonable to simply have Ukraine disband their nazi battalion before requesting to join NATO? Is that too much to ask?
 

dtfd

Autocross Champion
Is it so unreasonable to simply have Ukraine disband their nazi battalion before requesting to join NATO? Is that too much to ask?
we're not discussing Ukraine's entry into NATO, we're discussing a war started by Russians for no good reason that's killing Ukrainian civilians.

or do you support the Russian invasion into Ukraine?
 

Unreal1

Autocross Champion
we're not discussing Ukraine's entry into NATO, we're discussing a war started by Russians for no good reason that's killing Ukrainian civilians.

or do you support the Russian invasion into Ukraine?

Yes actually we were discussing Ukraine's entry into NATO. Just because you jumped in doesn't mean context goes out the window.
 

Corprin

Autocross Champion
Boys…
 

uglybastard

Autocross Champion
Is it so unreasonable to simply have Ukraine disband their nazi battalion before requesting to join NATO? Is that too much to ask?
Why not purge the 10ish% of the battalion that holds those views?
 

Sparky589

Drag Racing Champion
The Azov used to be a militia, but the military officially accepted them into the national guard after the war in Crimea. So they are an official part of the army.
Sure, go ahead and throw a bunch of skinheads into the Russian meatgrinder. Easy to pass judgement when you don't have the world's second most powerful military bearing down on you claiming your right to exist as a nation is fundamentally void. Especially when you currently have said country currently bombing the area of Ukraine's Holocaust Memorial Center and the archival building containg documents about WWII Nazi war crimes. The Russians are doing everything the Ukranian skinheads wish they could do in their wet dreams. Azov battalion was bared from American military aid four years ago, and there has been no notable NatSoc policies instituted by the Ukrainian government, which is the genuine measure we should be judging countries acceptance and vulnerability to these rotten politics. Hilariously your bad-faith hand wringing ignores the one genuine blemishes in NATO, that being the policies pursued by Poland and Hungary.

But for fun, let's do a quick comparison of members of far-right parties in Ukraine's parliament vs Russia, a good comparison as they're the same size!
Ukraine:
Oksana Savchulk.

Russia:
Aleksey Zhuravylov, Vasilina Kuliyeva, Ivan Pilyaev, Andrey Kuzmin, Boris Paikin, Sergey Zhigarev, Alexei Didenko, Vladimir Zhirinovsky, Igor Lebedev, Leonid Slutsky, Yaroslav Nilov, Mikhail Degtyarev, Alexander Kurdyumov, Dmitry Svishev, Sergey Karginov, Andrey Andreychenko, Ivan Sukharev, Pavel Shperov, Valery Seleznyov, Yury Volkov, Andrey Lugovoy, Yury Napso, Sergey Natarov, Alexander Starovoitov, Vadim Dengin, Kirill Cherkasov, Yelena Strokova, Andrey Svintsov, Anton Morozov, Dmitry Savelyev, Sergey Katasonov, Sergey Ivanov, Alexander Sherin, Igor Toroshchin, Maxim Zaytsev, Sergey Marinin, Vitaly Pashin, Boris Chernyshov, Vasily Vlasov, Oleg Lavrov, and Yevgeny Markov.

The recognition of Azov sucks and is one of the worst outcomes of the 8 years of fighting in the east of Ukraine. But again, this bad-faith posting ignores how in terms of governmental power and popular support, fascists are stronger in Russia than they are in Ukraine.
 
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